The new M3P is in my future. Take some time with what you have. Good luck.
Tesla Milestone: 5 Millionth Car Manufactured
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Different usage model means different depreciation model. A gas engine vehicle goes from perfectly functional to suddenly not working, and therefore must be preventive maintained and then suddenly scraped. An EV with Li-Ion battery would be like your phone or laptop, gets worse and worse gradually and then either battery replaced or sold for cheap used.
What does it mean to the used EV prices? It would be like an old computer, functional but slow after a while. This likely means people will buy and sell their EV used more frequently, and maybe lease them in the long run, instead of buying and keeping it for a long time. Some people will buy them new for long commute, then sell them when the range reduce, someone else may buy it cheap and use it locally, then sell it to GON to swap a battery donor in from a crashed total. You don't need every EV to last the same range for 20 years, just as a whole the society need to do it cost effectively.
Think of it as buying and selling a house before the mortgage is paid off, when kids graduate, couples expect a new born baby, home owners retire and relocate, etc. It doesn't mean someone need to buy a house that they will live in for 30 years to get a 30 year fixed mortgage, they can always refi or sell later.
As much as I dislike Nissan Leaf, they have their place.
It’s way better than Tesla and most any automaker in the world if not the world so I’m not quite clear on this statement.
But maybe in the world where are you get paid $20 an hour for making coffee being a factory assembly line worker deserves more than $66 an hour in benefits and pay?
By the way, Elon Musk agrees with me.
The unions are going to bankrupt the big three if this doesn’t stop.
But it will stop. I’m expecting a long strike, but what does anyone know?
The UAW put their backs against the wall with that big talk.
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I can't ever forget that the fedgov forced a GM bankruptcy upon us, June 2009. My GM stock became instantly worthless.
Clearly, bankruptcy is no big deal for the company. Only the investors.
You and I both. I'm still enraged over this.
I see a lot of same behavior out of GM that led to it to begin with.
I tend to agree with you, although my ABC would be a little different.
A) Agreed. Cross country range/charging is still an issue.
B) While I agree that Tesla cars are overpriced, I'm not sure of the Impala comparison.
C) I won't buy a car that the mothership can declare non-roadworthy, and shut down. It's my property. Not theirs.
D) Not a fan of all the controls on a tablet. I still prefer dedicated switches/buttons for many functions, particularly when they are well thought out and placed. A tablet is not it.
I used to think that way. But now I find traditional dashboards, like in our Lexi, busy and confusing. You gotta (dangerously) look all over the place to find what you want. With the Tesla, I just issue a voice command; I rarely use the touch screen.
The Tesla is so advanced that if there is only 1 person in the car, the AC automatically directs all the air to the driver. There are voice commands to direct air flow as well.
Finally, buttons and dials are far more limited in functionality as compared to electronics. OTA updates make use of existing controls for new functionality.
Back to the original topic, when I was working as the QE for a supplier to Tesla, our company made up these shirts for us. I suspect Tesla was involved in making the design and promoting to our company, these shirts.
I've lost track, but isn't the Model 3 still over two thirds of Tesla sales? Back when these shirts were passed out, it was well over 80%. Huge growth to where they are today.
I'm still not a big fan of the Model 3, but I have to admire what they have done.
I've lost track, but isn't the Model 3 still over two thirds of Tesla sales? Back when these shirts were passed out, it was well over 80%. Huge growth to where they are today.
I'm still not a big fan of the Model 3, but I have to admire what they have done.
The Model Y is, by far, the #1 seller. The Model 3 is also a strong seller; right now sales have slowed as customers, like me, are waiting for the Highland refresh.
The benefits package making the number $66 an hour is a cop out. I'd love to see how that's figured. I can't spend my benefits package, yet my benefits are higher than my actual hourly making it look like I make more than double? Furthermore $19 an hour starting is absolute trash. I live in a town of 16k people which isn't exactly a wealthy area and the Dunkin' Donuts pays $16 an hour along with most of the fast food in town which last I heard was as much as John Deere's nearby factory. These hands on jobs can complain all they want about labor costs, but if they have trouble hiring people for the pay they're offering, they might not have people to do the work they need done. The fast food places are doing it because if they couldn't keep the people they would have to close their doors. Weirdly I haven't seen a "closed due to staffing issues" signs on any of these restaurants in a while. It's probably the pay.
I don't know about you, but I don't work out of the goodness of my heart. It's merely a necessity to take care of my family.
I can see a balance between hard wired buttons/switches and a touch screen. For example, I have no problem with items like climate control, seat adjustments, and ambient lighting on a touch pad. But I want volume control, phone call pickup and hang up, mute, and cruise control on the steering wheel yokes. I also love how my E350 steering wheel buttons allow me to scroll through fuel economy, range, travel time, and similar road trip information, without ever taking my hands off the wheel.
I couldn't disagree more, entry level job, no college, even a GED
Starts at $19, as years wear on, $30.
Full benefits to the point of almost stupid good, health care packages for life, with deductibles of $500 or less for an entire family.
BTW- you're commenting on the benefits package or I should say contesting what is stated without knowing what the benefits are.
COMPETELY ignoring the salaries they make within 5 years or less as a full time UAW worker.
Comparing to working at Dunkin' Donuts isnt even worthy of having a conversation with you. Just plain silly.
UAW workers salaries and benefits are better or equal to most teachers (and many police officers) in the USA and the UAW does not need a formal education to make that money.
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He's right, and if they get it he better shift even more production out of the US, because his low paid workers might start sounding off looking for more $$. That would hurt him and his shareholders.
The only place I know of where you work 32 hours but get paid for 40 is France.
Im not sure where they fall on the pay scale and benefits packages stock options and such... without Union dues extracted to cover prior pension commitments and bloated representation they might take home more?
Everybody can chose where they want to work. If you don't like the pay at your job - go find a better one.
I don't know what else to say, I'm comparing starting salaries. I wouldn't take any job at $19 an hour in this day and age in the hopes that 5-7 years down the road that would be $30 no matter how good the benefits are. I made $19 an hour as a somewhat entry level job 20 years ago after taking an 8 week training course.
I agree with you. Here's the rub, not everyone wants to go out and find another job, so in this case it wouldn't surprise me if Elon's workers don't push for more money once the UAW settles. Greed drives a lot of people, in union and non union jobs. I've seen and lived it in my own business. How this plays out should be very interesting.
You cant compare a "salary" to a "package".
When you made 19 an hour did your healthcare cost 1000 a month?
No, it didn't. I had an an 80% 20% plan. I paid 20% of my benefits. I'd have to look at what that was, but obviously prices have went well up.
It also doesn't change the fact that I took a job that I could walk in off of the street and make $19 an hour 20 years ago. The schooling I did wasn't required for that job. I did it for the previous job, though it did help me get the job for sure.
What it tells me is exactly what we've all known. Inflation sucks and pay isn't increasing remotely enough to cover it. The only answers are to either find a way to kill inflation(won't happen) or increase pay. This argument that a lifelong career should be just enough to pay the power bill and some food is no way to live. It's absolutely insane to think that once you get a certain level of career there are compensation packages worth 10 times what the next level of underlings make and the gap has increased for years while the average worker's pay hasn't changed much until recently when there was a shortage of people in the job market. It's sickening.
Econ teaches us that full employment and/or rising wages drives up inflation.
Producers will raise prices until consumption falls to an unacceptable level. Typically consumers will seek out viable alternatives. My personal biggest (and luckiest) was to install solar as a hedge against rising energy costs. Little did I know that those panels could save me $80 per week just in petrol...
I don't like paying higher prices; does that mean I should sell my house under market? Prices are a function of the market. The market is buyers and sellers.