Tesla is a pain in the rear to deal with

Back pedal city.

My wife wants to look at one. She is afraid of road trip charging in anything else than a Tesla. And she has an objection to buying the same car that my parents have (really, who cares!) Otherwise she wants a hybrid. Never mind that my 70-something parents have been all over the western US in their ID.4. Oh well. I'm meeting her there after work. Happy wife, happy life.
The Toyota hybrids are great.
Regarding EVs, most other EV companies are adopting Tesla charging.
I just ordered our new Model 3 Performance. Click-click-click and credit card. Easy peasey. I took 5 pictures of our car for the trade in value.

Good luck with whatever you end up with.
 
Well the wife likes it...we'll see. I must have driven a Model 3 before because the Model Y has the stalk, but it doesn't operate at all like a column mounted shifter, it's more like a blinker. I will say that the one we test drove on Friday was wicked fast, not sure what options it had or battery or drive type, but it was at highway speed faster than I could process how fast we were accelerating.

I told my wife one thing I am having a hard time getting my head around is no Android Auto (or Apple CarPlay). I use Android Auto every time I drive. We have a YouTube Premium family subscription which comes with YouTube Music and that is our streaming platform. How do I find out if that is supported on the Tesla screen? If I have to do it via Bluetooth that is a serious turnoff. But then again the wife doesn't care about my turnons and turnoffs with the car because it has the Tesla supercharging network...sigh.

[edit] I forgot, the car we drove had "Full Self Driving" and the car encourages you to use it through screen instructions. But if you make minor corrections it turns off FSD entirely. I think it would be more seamless if it allowed you make more control inputs without disconnecting entirely. The biggest divergence that the car and I had was when it tried to change lanes on me, we were nearing an intersection where there was a large stackup in the right lane and the car tried to change to the left lane. But my plan was to turn right at that intersection, so I had to take over and it ended up being kind of an abrupt stop. I imagine if I had put a destination in the car's screen that wouldn't have happened. But anyway.
 
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Well the wife likes it...we'll see. I must have driven a Model 3 before because the Model Y has the stalk, but it doesn't operate at all like a column mounted shifter, it's more like a blinker. I will say that the one we test drove on Friday was wicked fast, not sure what options it had or battery or drive type, but it was at highway speed faster than I could process how fast we were accelerating.

I told my wife one thing I am having a hard time getting my head around is no Android Auto (or Apple CarPlay). I use Android Auto every time I drive. We have a YouTube Premium family subscription which comes with YouTube Music and that is our streaming platform. How do I find out if that is supported on the Tesla screen? If I have to do it via Bluetooth that is a serious turnoff. But then again the wife doesn't care about my turnons and turnoffs with the car because it has the Tesla supercharging network...sigh.
Tesla uses Google maps. There is no Android Auto or Apple Car Play. FYI I love Waze.
The Tesla GPS incorporates charging requirements; it plans your route based on needed charging stops and knows where the chargers are, how many in use and how many are down. Of course traffic, etc. You can add waystops. It keeps getting better.

Welcome to the dark side.
 
Tesla uses Google maps. There is no Android Auto or Apple Car Play. FYI I love Waze.
The Tesla GPS incorporates charging requirements; it plans your route based on needed charging stops and knows where the chargers are, how many in use and how many are down. Of course traffic, etc. You can add waystops. It keeps getting better.

Welcome to the dark side.
It's not the maps part, I don't care what map it uses. It's the music part. I see it had Spotify and some others. But I need YouTube Music. It would be a lot easier if it just had Android Auto, but since it doesn't, I need my music app to make an appearance on the Tesla screen :D.

Ok, ok, ok I would "prefer" it to using Bluetooth, because then I have to futz with my phone while I am driving.
 
Well the wife likes it...we'll see. I must have driven a Model 3 before because the Model Y has the stalk, but it doesn't operate at all like a column mounted shifter, it's more like a blinker. I will say that the one we test drove on Friday was wicked fast, not sure what options it had or battery or drive type, but it was at highway speed faster than I could process how fast we were accelerating.

I told my wife one thing I am having a hard time getting my head around is no Android Auto (or Apple CarPlay). I use Android Auto every time I drive. We have a YouTube Premium family subscription which comes with YouTube Music and that is our streaming platform. How do I find out if that is supported on the Tesla screen? If I have to do it via Bluetooth that is a serious turnoff. But then again the wife doesn't care about my turnons and turnoffs with the car because it has the Tesla supercharging network...sigh.

[edit] I forgot, the car we drove had "Full Self Driving" and the car encourages you to use it through screen instructions. But if you make minor corrections it turns off FSD entirely. I think it would be more seamless if it allowed you make more control inputs without disconnecting entirely. The biggest divergence that the car and I had was when it tried to change lanes on me, we were nearing an intersection where there was a large stackup in the right lane and the car tried to change to the left lane. But my plan was to turn right at that intersection, so I had to take over and it ended up being kind of an abrupt stop. I imagine if I had put a destination in the car's screen that wouldn't have happened. But anyway.

The blinker shifter is the same one Mercedes has used for at least 15 years.

Unfortunately YouTube doesn’t have a Tesla app. It’s what keeps me in Spotify at the moment. It works on every piece of tech I own. I haven’t worried about YouTube Premium as a family plan since I seem to be the only regular watcher in the house. I’d be inclined to push the issue on YouTube Premium if YouTube Music was available on Tesla. The factory system is good but I do wish they offered Android Auto and Apple CarPlay.

As far as FSD goes it sounds like you’d benefit most from standard Autopilot. It’s more of an assist than a full out driving solution. It’s a lanekeep assist with cruise control that will fully stop behind stopped traffic.

Tesla isn’t a solution for everyone, but it’s a compelling product for the right buyer.
 
@JeffKeryk i can understand your interest in the rav4 hybrid. We just bought one for my wife last weekend… I should probably write it up. It is far more impressive as a DD than it should be. It handles wonderfully - instant power, and is decently calm at doing so until you really dig the foot in and then it’s a little rowdy. The battery can handle straights at 40 mph for a bit … plenty enough for changing conditions. Handles great, reasonably quiet. Seats are good. As a drivers car, it actually has some fun in it. Manual shift mode is useful, though it does not sing a sweet song at 3000 rpm. AWD has a little bias to the rear off the line, as my wife actually spun the inside rear on takeoff this morning. I like that. Brake pedal is decent. Suspension eats potholes while has the playful willingness of down to clown.

Front to rear balance feels good - nimble enough.

The vehicle electronics seem to have some unpredictable patterns in the tug of war between wireless CarPlay and non-CarPlay modes. In addition, my wife gets confused with the depth of controls.

Why is there no tach. I know it doesn’t make sense for most people. It still makes sense to me. No tach or option to go on display. You get needles for fuel and “power/eco/off” but the speedo is a digital blurry-needled display. The lack of a tach could be enough to put this vehicle on hold for one of my own.

Drawbacks, and @Torrid may have thoughts here. I *really* like this little SUV. No question I would enjoy commuting in it. However if it were mine and we sold the truck, a utility trailer would be a requirement. But towing is limited to 1750 pounds, and from what I’ve read, that’s a legitimate number for folks who have tried. The suspension is Camry-grade and is well-tuned for passengers, but there’s a fastly- approachable limit for cargo heft or tongue weight. Looking beneath it, there’s a lot of equipment mounted underneath that is protected only by plastic guards. While it’s down to clown on pavement, this is not a vehicle with any ruggedness at all off pavement, and even in sand. I’d be afraid to climb a curb and trundle across a rough field, something I do on occasion. The unibody frame rails are thin, and the stamped suspension parts look well-suited for carrying people but not for banging a curb with a trailer attached.

My wife is the perfect driver for this car, because she will carry herself, friends, groceries and sometimes suitcases. But for someone considering getting out of a truck, and a bare minimum I’ll need a flatbed trailer and would really prefer enclosed, and an enclosed trailer eats half of the towing capacity. I suppose I could consider a non-hybrid for myself, which doubles tow capability, at the expense of daily mpg.

Either way, for a daily runabout, it’s a great vehicle. And while FWD I generally find depressing, this one is tossable enough that I don’t really miss the purity of RWD. For what it is, I’ll call it 9 of 10 stars.

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