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Tesla bread & butter model 3 seems to be extract a lot of attentions from all over the world.

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One Tesla Motors-oriented publication says the electric-vehicle maker is going to rack up 100,000 reservations for its lower-cost Model 3 within the first 24 hours of the car's availability. And one Netherlands-based car-leasing company is already plotting to secure a decent-sized chunk of those. To say demand is high is a drastic understatement.

Netherlands-based MisterGreen is working with energy company NLE on a plan to immediately secure reservations for 1,000 of the new electric vehicle, according to Electrek.

The MisterGreen crowd is going to have its hands full. Teslarati says there will be an absolute crush once Tesla starts taking reservations on March 31, estimating that 100,000 may be on the books by April Fools' Day.


http://www.autoblog.com/2016/03/25/mistergreen-crowdsource-tesla-model-3-reservations-crush/

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The imminent launch of Tesla’s long-awaited Model 3 is taking on epic, Black Friday-like proportions. The reservation process will open up on the morning of March 31, several hours before the car makes its official debut, and die-hard Tesla fans are ready to spend a night or more outside of their local Tesla store in a bid to place one of the very first orders before even seeing the car.

Posting on the popular Tesla Motors Club forum, user Mad Hungarian reports the Tesla store in Montreal, Canada, expects that at least a hundred prospective owners will camp out in near-freezing temperatures overnight in order to be assigned an early reservation number. Many stores in the United States are expecting lines, too.



http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/tesla-3-buyers-camping-out-news-report/
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Tesla isn't a welfare car company. They had Federal warranty loan 6-9 years ago, they paid it all back plus interest. Federal Government made some profit with Tesla loan, much better than the loans they gave to GM and Chrysler.

Any company that are producing/selling EV vehicle receive some incentives from Federal Government, including foreign companies such as BMW, Nissan, Fiat ...

There is no data saying that Tesla lost money on every vehicle it sold, there was some reports indicated they made small profit for each sold, but they have negative cash flow and quarterly lost because they are expanding their product lines and manufacturing capability.

In general, Tesla is just like other companies they would milk the governments(Federal, State and Local) as much as possible. All financial/revenue they received each month/quarter was and is legal so get over it.

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Good friends of mine have one. They like and/but will likely trade it for a smaller one if/when it is released. I drove it briefly and it will snap your neck, but too big for my taste.
Electric cars OK by me; means more gasoline for my classics
Kevin
 
Know it all fools reducing everything to a sentence or two is at the core of "softening America".

We can't know what's good if we know nothing.
We can't know what's bad if we know nothing.

Just worship Elvis and '56 Chevys and everything will be OK. Kira
 

Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
For that much money it should be at least a good car. And for that much money it will never approach the main stream.

On top of that Elon Musk and his various ventures would not exist without the 4.9 billion dollars from us tax payers.

So it appears that we helped finance a car we can't afford.
The idiot taxpayers are ripe to be milked for all that can be squeezed out of them. It is a suckers game and the voters are the suckers.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: Brybo86
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Elon Musk and his various ventures would not exist without the 4.9 billion dollars financed by US Taxpayers


This is EXACTLY what is wrong with the country today. The federal govt picking winners and losers, but really mostly losers.

Happening with everything restaurants 10yr tax free for a fast food chain HQ, energy solyndra, auto industry Tesla, cash for clunkers etc.

Fk the feds.

Where is the $4.9 billions came from ? Tesla received that much from govt of all levels(Fed+states+locals) ?

Tesla had a little more than $1 billion tax incentive over 20 years from Nevada for building $5 billion factory there. The new car company Faraday received similar incentive for building $1-2 billion factory there.

Space-X has contract with Federal govt just like other private space companies, no preferred treatment. I think NASA saved some money with Space-X compares with how much they would spend if they do it themselves.

If any of you think that Tesla had preferred treatment compares with other car companies with similar products(EV), please post some data/facts to support your claim.


NASA IS PAYING FOR ALL OF THEIR TESTING AND R&D.
 
Originally Posted By: CKN
Originally Posted By: KingCake
It's a wellfare car. They sell them at a loss and the company is financed with taxpayer money.

The sooner they go under the better for us and the deficit.



And what do you drive?


Fords.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Where is the $4.9 billions came from ? Tesla received that much from government of all levels(Fed+states+locals) ?

Tesla had a little more than $1 billion tax incentive over 20 years from Nevada for building $5 billion factory there. The new car company Faraday received similar incentive for building $1-2 billion factory there.

Space-X has contract with Federal govt just like other private space companies, no preferred treatment. I think NASA saved some money with Space-X compares with how much they would spend if they do it themselves.

If any of you think that Tesla had preferred treatment compares with other car companies with similar products(EV), please post some data/facts to support your claim.
Originally Posted By: KingCake
NASA IS PAYING FOR ALL OF THEIR TESTING AND R&D.

There is no report about NASA is paying any company R&D and testing.

Only one instance that NASA was paying "Development contract tpo design and develop a space capsule" to 3 companies, SpaceX included.

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In August 2012, SpaceX signed a large development contract with NASA to design and develop a crew-carrying space capsule for the "next generation of U.S. human spaceflight capabilities", in order to re-enable the launch of astronauts from U.S. soil by 2017. Two other companies, Boeing and Sierra Nevada Corporation, received similar development contracts.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX

The last several years SpaceX did launch some rockets carrying something to space station, what did Boeing and Sierra Nevada Corporation do for NASA ?

If you want to talk about welfare companies, you should point your finger at defense companies, they are totally depend on government pay check for their survival. No government contracts no employment and everyone will be homeless.
 
Of course they are a welfare car company. They haven't turned a profit in a decade. Their survival has hinged entirely on government money.

The other companies you mentioned make money selling cars. Tesla doesn't. Might be legal, but it's still government funded business.

The other car companies taking corporate welfare is not better or excusable. But at least they have some sort of record for making profit selling cars.

611 supercharger stations nationwide? I think we have that many gas stations in our county.

It's like I've said before. If there's praise for Tesla, it always involves some sort of bombastic intangible. It's never "here's the profit Tesla made." It's always "Well, look at this new small achievement made right here!" or "They're not dead yet!".
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
So they get their charging network right but can't get their cars right?
http://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla-reliability-doesnt-match-its-high-performance/

Good performance, poor reliability?

Please read this report completely you will see that Tesla Model S wasn't worse than the title indicated.

New company + new car + new technology + ... What do you expect ? Perfect score in every way ?


They are new but do not get a pass on quality. That article expressed they have many issues including drivetrain. And this on a 100k car that they only make a few per year. Imagine they can't get their high end model right you expect their volume model will be any better?
 
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Of course they are a welfare car company. They haven't turned a profit in a decade. Their survival has hinged entirely on government money.

The other companies you mentioned make money selling cars. Tesla doesn't. Might be legal, but it's still government funded business.

The other car companies taking corporate welfare is not better or excusable. But at least they have some sort of record for making profit selling cars.

611 supercharger stations nationwide? I think we have that many gas stations in our county.

It's like I've said before. If there's praise for Tesla, it always involves some sort of bombastic intangible. It's never "here's the profit Tesla made." It's always "Well, look at this new small achievement made right here!" or "They're not dead yet!".

How a company reports quarterly and/or yearly profit or loss ? Revenue - Expense = Profit if the result is positive and Loss if the result is negative.

An expanding new car company has a lot of equipments/parts/space ... to spend money on to make from few hundreds a year to several thousands, to tens of thousands and to hundreds of thousands are costing a ton of money. Also, money to hire designers, engineers, technicians, ... to develop/design/engineer/test ... new vehicle

The money spent for these things will not generate any revenue for some years.

How long did Amazon exit ? When was Amazon first profitable year ? For all the years that Amazon reported loss did they actually lost on every item they sold ? or they lost because they spent ton of money to expand like crazy ?
 
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
They are new but do not get a pass on quality. That article expressed they have many issues including drivetrain. And this on a 100k car that they only make a few per year. Imagine they can't get their high end model right you expect their volume model will be any better?

One of the problems was trivial:

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Overall, squeaks and rattles appear to be the most prevalent complaint. But as one respondent commented, "The car is so very silent when driving that minor squeaks and rattles that you wouldn't be able to hear in a gasoline engine car become very annoying."


The other was Tesla technician just love to replace electric motors for no reason.

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Based on survey responses, Tesla has made a habit of replacing the car’s electric motors


Change suppliers and/or demand higher quality rotors from supplier.

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Brake rotors tend to warp


New car company would have more problems the first few years than established companies.

Even companies with more than 30-50 years experiences still having many glitches almost for every first model year, many tried to avoid buy a brand new platform vehicle the first year, regardless if it was from Honda or GM or BMW ...
 
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Only that the nowhere in the constitution does it mention the federal govt funding cars.

It DOES mention that the federal govt's only job is to...

1. Maintain military.
2. Secure borders.
3. Print money.

Too bad the only one they are doing well right now is printing money..... LOL
 
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Surprised this thread is not locked yet. I guess I'll throw in a few more Tesla related posts you don't see in the media much. Conspiracy theory alert, get your tin foil hat on:

1) They got a free factory when GM file for bankruptcy and exit the JV with Toyota in Fremont CA, aka the NUMMI. They went out and put a lot of union workers out of businesses building Pontiac Vibe and Toyota Matrix. Toyota give the factory away to Tesla for free, either political connection reason or to hand the bag of bad press to Tesla. Tesla used to say they don't want that factory but suddenly they got the responsibility to run it as much as it can, or the bad press of unemployed factory workers will be on its shoulder.

2) SpaceX was originally trying buy refurbished ICBM from Russia but was spat on, until people working for CIA's ventura capital arm got involved, and was offered an overpriced rocket. Then it decided to build its own from scratch. That sounds like someone is trying to secure all the loose ICBM in Russia and then the mission changed to hired out all the unemployed rocket scientists in former Soviet so they cannot build something for rouge nations to me.

Nope, not 100% free market, but at least it is serving a purpose with the government money we spend.
 
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Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Sure let them do well and pay the Gov. that way they have more money to give to non Americans..Sounds like a sound business plan. Yeah!


What kind of nonsense logic is that?

You want to lose money so you cannot afford to pay someone for service provided rather than make money and pay for something?
 
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