Tesla Being Examined for Possible Securities and Wire Fraud

[alarmguy]

Couple of decades off here, the personal computers were already being developed in the early 70s, with kits computers like the Altair 8800 being available in Dec 74. Apple 2, TRS-80, and PET all came out in 77 and the early 80s saw multiple other entries like the VIC20/Commodore 64, Atari 8 bit computers, and the IBM PCs and its compatible clones. By the 90s most of these computer manufacturers were getting out or going bankrupt as the standard had become the IBM PC compatibles for most of the market, especially small businesses.

Good points, My thinking was more based on Windows personal computers.
By the very late 90s early 2000s the market was flooded and the manufactures started going out of business and or showing signs of stress
In the Mid to late 90s the market was very well, prosperous and alive, as well as all the retailers with the new Windows machines.
Electronics stores and computer stores were almost on every corner in America, major retailers had large departments showing their wares from abundant windows, PC manufacturers. No way was the industry stressed at that time.

It was at this time really taking off with Windows 95 hitting the market. at least that’s how I remember it. That’s when computers started becoming a household name and the Internet sprang to life.
Retail stores were packed every weekend, weeknight and holidays.

Maybe other experiences with different, but my world was a more affluent area of the New York metropolitan area known as Long Island.

As posted in the link below, it was the Internet Era where PC exploded
https://www.historytools.org/docs/computer-history-timeline-personal-computers-computing-internet

From 1990 to the year 2000 Internet usage exploded 16,000% that was a healthy market then. The reason for that explosion was the Internet browsers from Netscape and Windows.

 

[PandaBear]

His pay package was structured in 2019 or so, when Tesla was between $12 and $15 a share. If the market cap of Tesla doubled from that point he got $10B in stock (which was locked in he couldn't sell for 5 years). If the market cap tripled he got $20B. And so on. He Achieved $65B. Then some lawyers representing a guy that literally owned a single share, and a judge in Delaware, voided the pay package.

People are upset because its in Billions. But lets say a car salesman sells 10 cars a month, and the owner paid him $1000. So you come in and take his job. The owner says if you sell 20 cars in a month he will pay you $2000, and if you sell 30 cars he will pay you $3000 and so on. And so you sell 65 cars in one month. And the owner says "just kidding".

You can make arguments that its just too much money and it wasn't all him and so on - and those are maybe true. But the fact is he had a compensation plan in place, and they changed it after the fact. When the stock was $381 I didn't hear anyone complaining then.

I wish most shareholders can sue failed CEOs off their golden handcuffs like this guy did. In reality though Elon is not worse than other crook CEOs out there. At least Tesla grew a lot under his management vs those guys who run a company into the ground then collect 10M to be fired.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

Like any new technology. There is the company that brings it to market and then everyone else jumps on the bandwagon = market saturation = lower prices and if lower prices cant be done, companies close up shop and the remaining are the survivors.

No different then when the personal computer arrived in the 1990s. Every level is super low for automobiles now (and getting lower), heck, we got Chinese Cell phone manufacturers producing automobiles, others producing automobiles under contract for other companies too.
The ICE was an obstacle for entry into the automobile marketplace. AN EV is an electric motor and battery produced by many companies and retrofitted will be the future.

I can see it now, bragging if you have a Samsung, LG or GE motor (maybe even GM since they are building battery packs for electrical storage in business) in your EV someday in the future, much will be standardized.
BITOG will be a discussion on what is the most efficient and reliable electric motor that produces the most HP

I was running the planning & sheduling of maintenance and repair work at chemical plant in the late 1980s. I had a compostition book and tablets. We used paper tag repair request work orders. I had to write a daily mainteneance work schedule by hand or typewriter. Type out nightly instructions for production team to make certain equipment ready for maintenance work the next morning etc.... One day the Maintenance Superintendant came to the office and told me "get your clerk to get you tickets for Philly Pa next week." "You and the clerks and one secretary are going to computer training!" I was so upset I was ready to go back to my old tools. Well after a week in a room full of nice ladies and a few young dumb guys like me, we survived. It was amazing once we got the computer hooked up and running all the things it made my life so easy compared to the pen and paper from before. I know today my attitude about EVs is just like my skewered attitude was AGAINST the computers when first told I had to transition. To me it is just the fact "they" who ever "they" are pushing the EV world upon us so fast. It is the same old thing when Uncle Sam sticks himself into anything. Usually that messes what ever it is up almost like it is done on purpose. Look at the US Mail for an idea what they CAN do to something. It is the Cart before the horse thing again. Too many issues with EVs + power supply still need to be worked out for all of us to jump.... BOOM to all EV homes. I am sure the world one day will leave ICE behind just like we left the horses. But it will not happen over night like some fat , filthy rich donors who likely have tons of EV stocks in their portfolios and attempt to or are in fact twisting politcians arms to make it happen ASAP. ***NOT POLITICAL***
BUT Tesla being invstigated to me is no surprise because he simply does dance to his own tune and I suppose he himself is NOT POLITICAL even though he does not keep his leanings to himself. Like me .... he cant keep things to himself most of the time!

 

[alarmguy]

@SammyChevelleTypeS3
Wow great story about coming into the computer age!
Boy, if there’s ever a weapon that takes them all down, we are all in big trouble!
I don’t use paper for anything and I haven’t in over a decade and that includes everything in my life, including banking

If I need cash, it comes out of the machine, I don’t even have a bank branch within 1000 miles or more from my home

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

@SammyChevelleTypeS3
Wow great story about coming into the computer age!
Boy, if there’s ever a weapon that takes them all down, we are all in big trouble!
I don’t use paper for anything and I haven’t in over a decade and that includes everything in my life, including banking

If I need cash, it comes out of the machine, I don’t even have a bank branch within 1000 miles or more from my home

LoL. I am paying this month's bills right now on my home PC that I have set up in the "man cave." Take the pressure off the
wife who used to insist mailing checks. No No No. Not anymore. Computer too easy!

 

[LDM]

Good points, My thinking was more based on Windows personal computers.
By the very late 90s early 2000s the market was flooded and the manufactures started going out of business and or showing signs of stress
In the Mid to late 90s the market was very well, prosperous and alive, as well as all the retailers with the new Windows machines.
Electronics stores and computer stores were almost on every corner in America, major retailers had large departments showing their wares from abundant windows, PC manufacturers. No way was the industry stressed at that time.

It was at this time really taking off with Windows 95 hitting the market. at least that’s how I remember it. That’s when computers started becoming a household name and the Internet sprang to life.
Retail stores were packed every weekend, weeknight and holidays.

Maybe other experiences with different, but my world was a more affluent area of the New York metropolitan area known as Long Island.

As posted in the link below, it was the Internet Era where PC exploded
https://www.historytools.org/docs/computer-history-timeline-personal-computers-computing-internet

From 1990 to the year 2000 Internet usage exploded 16,000% that was a healthy market then. The reason for that explosion was the Internet browsers from Netscape and Windows.

While WIN95 was certainly a game changer for GUI based OS, it wasn't when PCs first took off. That would be the 80s when you had multiple competing PCs that had no interchangability, aside from the IBM PC and its clones. The Commodore 64 is the most sold model of computer of all time, with millions sold world wide and was produced all the way up until 94 when the company CBM went bankrupt. Which is what happened to most of the companies that were producing their own computer lines rather than IBM compatibles as they could no longer compete with those machines as they had become the standard. Others moved to the IBM clone market, pretty much only Apple managed to continue on and they almost went bankrupt in the 90s and had to be rescued by Microsoft of all companies.

The internet certainly helped to fuel the growth of PCs but many people, myself included, started our computer experiences in the 70s and 80s learning on personal computers. Which is why I'm still working in the IT field today (although retirement sure is looking better and better every year). I started out with the Atari 8 bits, first a 400, then a 130XL, both of which I still have in a spare bedroom setup and working to this very day. Moved on to a 486SX25 with DOS 5.0, upgraded to 6.22 and WIN 3.1, and from there to a Aptiva S series when WIN95 came out. Still have the 486, too bad the Aptiva died around 99 and those are hard to find these days.

Anyway, just figured I'd put my own experience with computers. As far as Telsa and EVs, worthless as far as I'm concerned and hopefully Musk gets exactly what he deserves from these investigations. Hes nothing more than a con artist.

 

[alarmguy]

While WIN95 was certainly a game changer for GUI based OS, it wasn't when PCs first took off. That would be the 80s when you had multiple competing PCs that had no interchangability, aside from the IBM PC and its clones. The Commodore 64 is the most sold model of computer of all time, with millions sold world wide and was produced all the way up until 94 when the company CBM went bankrupt. Which is what happened to most of the companies that were producing their own computer lines rather than IBM compatibles as they could no longer compete with those machines as they had become the standard. Others moved to the IBM clone market, pretty much only Apple managed to continue on and they almost went bankrupt in the 90s and had to be rescued by Microsoft of all companies.

The internet certainly helped to fuel the growth of PCs but many people, myself included, started our computer experiences in the 70s and 80s learning on personal computers. Which is why I'm still working in the IT field today (although retirement sure is looking better and better every year). I started out with the Atari 8 bits, first a 400, then a 130XL, both of which I still have in a spare bedroom setup and working to this very day. Moved on to a 486SX25 with DOS 5.0, upgraded to 6.22 and WIN 3.1, and from there to a Aptiva S series when WIN95 came out. Still have the 486, too bad the Aptiva died around 99 and those are hard to find these days.

Anyway, just figured I'd put my own experience with computers. As far as Telsa and EVs, worthless as far as I'm concerned and hopefully Musk gets exactly what he deserves from these investigations. Hes nothing more than a con artist.

Great post and I fully understand what you were saying. It wasn’t something on my mind as I was speaking from my own personal experience and why I carried on so long explaining what that experience was.

Computers weren’t in my world until the Internet. I’m not sure how much before that it was but I remember my brother-in-law and his commodore 64 which I thought was so cool and at that point is when I started to get interested but didn’t do anything until mid 1990

 

[OVERKILL]

While WIN95 was certainly a game changer for GUI based OS, it wasn't when PCs first took off. That would be the 80s when you had multiple competing PCs that had no interchangability, aside from the IBM PC and its clones. The Commodore 64 is the most sold model of computer of all time, with millions sold world wide and was produced all the way up until 94 when the company CBM went bankrupt. Which is what happened to most of the companies that were producing their own computer lines rather than IBM compatibles as they could no longer compete with those machines as they had become the standard. Others moved to the IBM clone market, pretty much only Apple managed to continue on and they almost went bankrupt in the 90s and had to be rescued by Microsoft of all companies.

The internet certainly helped to fuel the growth of PCs but many people, myself included, started our computer experiences in the 70s and 80s learning on personal computers. Which is why I'm still working in the IT field today (although retirement sure is looking better and better every year). I started out with the Atari 8 bits, first a 400, then a 130XL, both of which I still have in a spare bedroom setup and working to this very day. Moved on to a 486SX25 with DOS 5.0, upgraded to 6.22 and WIN 3.1, and from there to a Aptiva S series when WIN95 came out. Still have the 486, too bad the Aptiva died around 99 and those are hard to find these days.

Anyway, just figured I'd put my own experience with computers. As far as Telsa and EVs, worthless as far as I'm concerned and hopefully Musk gets exactly what he deserves from these investigations. Hes nothing more than a con artist.

Another guy with a bit of a home museum! Welcome to the club @bunnspecial has quite the Mac collection. I lost several Macs when I moved from NB to Ontario, which is unfortunate, because some of them would be quite valuable now.

We never owned a Commodore. My mom brought home a Commodore 128 from the school board when I was like 6 or 8 or something as well as an Apple IIe, which I was more familiar with, since we had them in elementary school. Unique to Ontario, we also had the Unisys Icon systems at school, IIRC, most of those were rounded up and destroyed though. So, we had computers at home for extended periods during the mid to late 80's but didn't own one until my dad, who was teaching in Newfoundland at the time, bought himself an 8088 in ~1988. It had MS-DOS 3.0 and WordPerfect on it. I put Print Shop on it, and used to print banners for school on our Panasonic KXP-1180 dot-matrix printer.

Dad got remote access to the primitive "Internet" in the late 80's. We had a 2400 baud modem in the 8088 and using Procom Plus, you dialed into the Uni's VAX network and could send e-mails and browse using gopher. Not much on there, mostly other EDU's and NASA.

BBS's were big around this time as well. YakYak's was a pretty common one. They also had an "e-mail" like function.

Later, he bought a Texas Instruments 486SX/25 notebook, which I still have, loaded with WFWG 3.11. I ended up putting DOS 6.22 on the 8088 as well as Windows 3 at one point. Not sure what's on it now, it blew a cap on the motherboard and I haven't gotten around to fixing it.

Early 90's, I bought an IBM "Imagination Station" 486 SX/25 from a friend of mine. Upgraded it to, IIRC, 24MB of RAM, put a WD Caviar 1.6GB hard drive (using an overlay) in it. It had a Reveal 28.8 modem, which I used to download and install FreeBSD. This computer became my "test bed" for pretty much everything. Installed Slackware on it, NetBSD, BeOS, NT4, FreeBSD again...etc. It was my Windows 98 test rig when I was on the beta team too, lol. Remember ICQ? Still have my number memorized.

My first new computer that I actually acquired on my own was around 1998 IIRC, got it through a bursary during my first official year at Uni (I had been involved with a couple different uni's in differing capacities going back to grade 9) which was a Toshiba Satellite 420CDT. It had a Pentium MMX 266Mhz CPU and I upgraded it to 32 or 48MB of RAM, which was the maximum it would hold. I managed to get on the NT5 beta team (which eventually became Windows 2000). Used my trusty 486 SX/25 with FreeBSD as a firewall and "risky business" box, lol.

 

[pbm]

There is a lot of Musk hate on here and yet I don't see such hate for Gates who made similar big money
by some dubious means....or Bezos who made similar big money by wiping out small business owners etc....or Mary Barra who made $29 million in 2022, according to ABC News, which is 362 times the salary of the typical worker in the company. According to the Associated Press, her salary has increased by 34% since 2019 or Jack Welch and Jeff Immelt who basically destroyed GE etc...etc..etc... I'm pretty sure some of the Musk hate is because the haters don't like his 'P' which we can't talk about.

 

[dishdude]

There is a lot of Musk hate on here and yet I don't see such hate for Gates who made similar big money
by some dubious means....or Bezos who made similar big money by wiping out small business owners etc....or Mary Barra who made $29 million in 2022, according to ABC News, which is 362 times the salary of the typical worker in the company. According to the Associated Press, her salary has increased by 34% since 2019 or Jack Welch and Jeff Immelt who basically destroyed GE etc...etc..etc... I'm pretty sure some of the Musk hate is because the haters don't like his 'P' which we can't talk about.

Get back to us when Gates or Bezos get on Twitter and call some first responder "pedo guy".

 

[JohnnyG]

I was running the planning & sheduling of maintenance and repair work at chemical plant in the late 1980s. I had a compostition book and tablets. We used paper tag repair request work orders. I had to write a daily mainteneance work schedule by hand or typewriter. Type out nightly instructions for production team to make certain equipment ready for maintenance work the next morning etc.... One day the Maintenance Superintendant came to the office and told me "get your clerk to get you tickets for Philly Pa next week." "You and the clerks and one secretary are going to computer training!" I was so upset I was ready to go back to my old tools. Well after a week in a room full of nice ladies and a few young dumb guys like me, we survived. It was amazing once we got the computer hooked up and running all the things it made my life so easy compared to the pen and paper from before. I know today my attitude about EVs is just like my skewered attitude was AGAINST the computers when first told I had to transition. To me it is just the fact "they" who ever "they" are pushing the EV world upon us so fast. It is the same old thing when Uncle Sam sticks himself into anything. Usually that messes what ever it is up almost like it is done on purpose. Look at the US Mail for an idea what they CAN do to something. It is the Cart before the horse thing again. Too many issues with EVs + power supply still need to be worked out for all of us to jump.... BOOM to all EV homes. I am sure the world one day will leave ICE behind just like we left the horses. But it will not happen over night like some fat , filthy rich donors who likely have tons of EV stocks in their portfolios and attempt to or are in fact twisting politcians arms to make it happen ASAP. ***NOT POLITICAL***
BUT Tesla being invstigated to me is no surprise because he simply does dance to his own tune and I suppose he himself is NOT POLITICAL even though he does not keep his leanings to himself. Like me .... he cant keep things to himself most of the time!

Jeez, why does this sound like somebody running for "NOT POLITICAL" president?

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

There is a lot of Musk hate on here and yet I don't see such hate for Gates who made similar big money
by some dubious means....or Bezos who made similar big money by wiping out small business owners etc....or Mary Barra who made $29 million in 2022, according to ABC News, which is 362 times the salary of the typical worker in the company. According to the Associated Press, her salary has increased by 34% since 2019 or Jack Welch and Jeff Immelt who basically destroyed GE etc...etc..etc... I'm pretty sure some of the Musk hate is because the haters don't like his 'P' which we can't talk about.

totally agree there is too much Musk hate all over plus Gates and Bezos along with Immelt and a host of others seemed to have slipped and squeeked by unscathed by haters and I feel it is exactly the reason you suspect ..... the "Ps." Especially poor Musk. One truth though is that Musk has himself "all out there." Spouting off sometimes and making himself a target to the hungry shark media who cant seem to get enough of trashing him . Meanwhile some of the ones we named are keeping a low profile and hope the media forgets about them which they seem to do and we know why....

 

[LDM]

Another guy with a bit of a home museum! Welcome to the club @bunnspecial has quite the Mac collection. I lost several Macs when I moved from NB to Ontario, which is unfortunate, because some of them would be quite valuable now.

We never owned a Commodore. My mom brought home a Commodore 128 from the school board when I was like 6 or 8 or something as well as an Apple IIe, which I was more familiar with, since we had them in elementary school. Unique to Ontario, we also had the Unisys Icon systems at school, IIRC, most of those were rounded up and destroyed though. So, we had computers at home for extended periods during the mid to late 80's but didn't own one until my dad, who was teaching in Newfoundland at the time, bought himself an 8088 in ~1988. It had MS-DOS 3.0 and WordPerfect on it. I put Print Shop on it, and used to print banners for school on our Panasonic KXP-1180 dot-matrix printer.

Dad got remote access to the primitive "Internet" in the late 80's. We had a 2400 baud modem in the 8088 and using Procom Plus, you dialed into the Uni's VAX network and could send e-mails and browse using gopher. Not much on there, mostly other EDU's and NASA.

BBS's were big around this time as well. YakYak's was a pretty common one. They also had an "e-mail" like function.

Later, he bought a Texas Instruments 486SX/25 notebook, which I still have, loaded with WFWG 3.11. I ended up putting DOS 6.22 on the 8088 as well as Windows 3 at one point. Not sure what's on it now, it blew a cap on the motherboard and I haven't gotten around to fixing it.

Early 90's, I bought an IBM "Imagination Station" 486 SX/25 from a friend of mine. Upgraded it to, IIRC, 24MB of RAM, put a WD Caviar 1.6GB hard drive (using an overlay) in it. It had a Reveal 28.8 modem, which I used to download and install FreeBSD. This computer became my "test bed" for pretty much everything. Installed Slackware on it, NetBSD, BeOS, NT4, FreeBSD again...etc. It was my Windows 98 test rig when I was on the beta team too, lol. Remember ICQ? Still have my number memorized.

My first new computer that I actually acquired on my own was around 1998 IIRC, got it through a bursary during my first official year at Uni (I had been involved with a couple different uni's in differing capacities going back to grade 9) which was a Toshiba Satellite 420CDT. It had a Pentium MMX 266Mhz CPU and I upgraded it to 32 or 48MB of RAM, which was the maximum it would hold. I managed to get on the NT5 beta team (which eventually became Windows 2000). Used my trusty 486 SX/25 with FreeBSD as a firewall and "risky business" box, lol.

Yeah, I have a number of collections, from computers to game systems to guns to cars. Lots of nice stuff here too in your collection I've seen from other posts too, always good to see people keeping the old stuff alive. Its amazing how different things are today vs back then but playing with computers in the 80s was what got me into the IT field and where I am today.

My 486 is also a 25 Mhz but I did finally get the math cooprocessor for it a few years back to add that to it. Also has 32MB of RAM instead of the original 4MB that it came with back in the day. I rarely use it but occasionally turn it on and go through the old DOS and WIN 3.1 stuff I have on there. Amazing how after 30+ years I can still remember all those commands in DOS but I can't remember most of what I did yesterday. Just not important enough I suppose.

The Ataris I do play some old games on as I don't really like the emulators for those games, they just don't feel right when you play on modern hardware. My 130XL has the 5.25" floppy drive and amazingly almost every disk I have still works.

I also have a large collection of game consoles in my basement hooked up to a old projection CRT that gets some use still. Again, prefer to play those games on the original equipment, most emulation doesn't feel the same. Missing a few of the rarer stuff like 3DO and Jaguar but sometimes you have to draw a line somewhere on the cost.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Yes, it should be interesting to see how much business it takes away from TSLA. The IPO was priced at $21/share.

80% of IPO's since the 80's have failed. Granted many of those were in the .com but still. Much easier to pump and dump an IPO than build a car manufacturing company.

There were a couple hundred car companies in 1910 and 44 in 1929.

We have what, 20 car companies at least. Won't surprise me to see many of them consolidate or just go away in the next decade.

 

[demarpaint]

80% of IPO's since the 80's have failed. Granted many of those were in the .com but still. Much easier to pump and dump an IPO than build a car manufacturing company.

There were a couple hundred car companies in 1910 and 44 in 1929.

We have what, 20 car companies at least. Won't surprise me to see many of them consolidate or just go away in the next decade.

True, some do well too, about 20% as you mentioned. On the first day of trading, it wouldn't surprise me if some of the selling of TSLA on Friday went into ZK. As I said it should be interesting. I'm not one to go chasing IPOs but lets say the market has been a hobby of mine since my early college days, possibly earlier now that I think of it, a very long time ago.

 

[97prizm]

There is a lot of Musk hate on here and yet I don't see such hate for Gates who made similar big money
by some dubious means....or Bezos who made similar big money by wiping out small business owners etc....or Mary Barra who made $29 million in 2022, according to ABC News, which is 362 times the salary of the typical worker in the company. According to the Associated Press, her salary has increased by 34% since 2019 or Jack Welch and Jeff Immelt who basically destroyed GE etc...etc..etc... I'm pretty sure some of the Musk hate is because the haters don't like his 'P' which we can't talk about.

The biggest issue with the dislike of Musk is his constant promises. He's been promising "Level 5 autonomous" in Tesla vehicles for a decade. He also thinks it's hilarious to make fun of other people either in person or via X. See the article where he posted that a guy was a false flag person and a riot up in Washington was started by him when the guy wasn't even there. Musk even has said he posts stuff but doesn't validate if it's true or not. I don't see Mary barra nor other CEOS stuping to that. Third when GM Stellantis or others bring a new model to market they don't tell their employees that they'll have to sleep in the factory if the company is to succeed, and that they aren't "hardcore" enough. Everyone is tired of a 51 year-old running the company but having temper tantrums and acting like he's five. Oh yeah Musk loves to make fun of people but when they turn it around he pouts and doesn't think it's amusing.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

The biggest issue with the dislike of Musk is his constant promises. He's been promising "Level 5 autonomous" in Tesla vehicles for a decade. He also thinks it's hilarious to make fun of other people either in person or via X. See the article where he posted that a guy was a false flag person and a riot up in Washington was started by him when the guy wasn't even there. Musk even has said he posts stuff but doesn't validate if it's true or not. I don't see Mary barra nor other CEOS stuping to that. Third when GM Stellantis or others bring a new model to market they don't tell their employees that they'll have to sleep in the factory if the company is to succeed, and that they aren't "hardcore" enough. Everyone is tired of a 51 year-old running the company but having temper tantrums and acting like he's five. Oh yeah Musk loves to make fun of people but when they turn it around he pouts and doesn't think it's amusing.

As much as I admire his independence.... I cant condone his childishness. Someone like him.... attitudes he displays certainly should not have his own personal platform like X or any other wide spread media type outlet. Actually that is one of societies greatest woes these days. Too many lies , exagerations and wild speculations are easily and unverifably spread to us and the masses daily. We ALL should be careful what we read on the internet and believe. I used to sit with a drink each morning when first retired and read news and opinion pieces for a good hour. One day I decided to start to look into the veracity of some of the many posted articles only to find the majority were not fact based but only wild opinions or theories from some hard leaning (matters not which way they lean when untrue) so called writers. *****Happy Happy Joy Joy...... Happy MOTHER's Day all You Mothers and have a wonderful day!*****

 

[alarmguy]

There is a lot of Musk hate on here and yet I don't see such hate for Gates who made similar big money
by some dubious means....or Bezos who made similar big money by wiping out small business owners etc....or Mary Barra who made $29 million in 2022, according to ABC News, which is 362 times the salary of the typical worker in the company. According to the Associated Press, her salary has increased by 34% since 2019 or Jack Welch and Jeff Immelt who basically destroyed GE etc...etc..etc... I'm pretty sure some of the Musk hate is because the haters don't like his 'P' which we can't talk about.

I personally do not think it’s hate.
All the people that you have mentioned in here don’t come close to Elon Musk as far as being in the public eye.

It’s Elon Musk himself who opens himself up to criticism by grandstanding multiple times per week to the public. Even more so with all the grandstand, his projects are always behind and it’s undeniable right now. At this point time his company is sinking with negative growth, earnings and profit margin.


But forget what I just said who, out of all those people you mentioned, put themselves on a podium in the public eye?
Heck, Elon Musk even bought the podium by acquiring Twitter!

Hope this helps answer your question.
Your question is so biased against other CEOs for no reason whatsoever other than they work hard and earn a lot of money

By the way, musk can only dream to make as much money for his company as the CEO of GM did for the past 10 years.
GM worst year in the past 10 years was musk’s best year in the last 10 years.
Musk lost money for seven or eight of those 10 years and GM not a penny

 

[DwightFrye]

There are a lot of very wealthy and powerful people in the public eye that truly deserve any hate that is directed towards them.
Like the people who are funding the pro-Hamas and pro-Palestine and death to America demonstrations. Names like Soros, Rockefeller and Pritzker. And look up who they are also donating large sums of money to right now. Don't take my word for it but you may (or may not) be surprised,

But getting your panties in a knot because Elon hasn't delivered upon the FSD feature or is always behind schedule or calls people names on social media sites ? And acts like a 5 year old ? You must have a pretty low level of tolerance for misbehavior. In the grand scheme of things what Elon does that some of you regularly harp upon don't really amount to much.

I do agree that a lot of wealthy public figures do and should keep their opinions to themselves. But I guess some people's egos get in the way. They are their own worst enemies at times.

 

[OVERKILL]

I also have a large collection of game consoles in my basement hooked up to a old projection CRT that gets some use still. Again, prefer to play those games on the original equipment, most emulation doesn't feel the same. Missing a few of the rarer stuff like 3DO and Jaguar but sometimes you have to draw a line somewhere on the cost.

3DO! Oh man! I have a TurboGrafx 16 still, but only one game: Keith Courage in Alpha Zones. Of course the most well-known game for that console was Bonk's Adventures.