In the United States, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) estimates that human error is a factor in a staggering 94% of all crashes.
Not sure if they were attentive or not, but this is a pretty low bar, right?
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Not sure if they were attentive or not, but this is a pretty low bar, right?
Didn't some pay $10 from what I read? Then Tesla raised it to $15k briefly.
It's scary out there huh? No matter the statistics I'm still always going to be in favor of humanity and our shortcomings vs. letting A.I. take over every aspect of our lives. If people are afraid of being in the "94%" of all crashes they can stay home. Or ride public transit perhaps?
Some of you guys seem to be on the seriously fast track to you'll own nothing and be happy land. Call me crazy but I still prefer that little bit of freedom and it's associated chaos we have left.
330+ million people
5million - 6million accidents a year
40,990 deaths in car accidents in 2023
I don't think giving up our "privileges" should be based on a 0.0124% chance of death by car accident because of possible human error. You have no idea how many of those were caused by mechanical failure. Nor do you know how many accidents never happened because some drivers out there believe it or not have some pretty decent skills. See people avoid them frequently.
Maybe try to tackle heart disease first. Just sayin'.
I honestly look forward to self driving cars, but were a long ways away.
Young drivers account for a huge disportionate portion of accidents. Drivers under the influence come in there also. So what do you compare - software to the average - or software to the most safe drivers? I conisder myself an experienced and safe driver - not that I can't make an error. But I will never drive under the influence. So I don't want an auto driving car that drives worse than I do - hence it needs to be much better than average to convince me.
Software can make choices and get it right every time, but will sensors be able to distinguish things. I don't think so - not with current tech. So the question is will sensors get it wrong more often than a human makes a driving error?
I automate machines for a living - but I think were a long ways from self driving cars. In a factory we control all the variables. On the road you cannot do that.
If young drivers were to only use self driving, they'd never progress as drivers.
Yeah, he may be nuts, but doesn’t it take something like that to be the richest person in the world?
I mean, he’s gotta be different in order to be in that category
I think the $99/mo is going to be successful. Big cash flow. Some people could enable it for road trips only, then turn it off again. Plus there's the insurance discount. When you can sleep in the car, it'll be worth way more than that. IDK, I might pay $300/mo if I could sleep in it. That would be an extra ~hour of sleep a day. Can hardly put a price on that.
Elon is a genius. Yes, to do what he has done requires something radically different. Did you know Musk was nearly broke when the new Model 3 line kept failing due to automation break downs? They put up 2 huge tents in 3 weeks to build manual assembly lines.Yeah, he may be nuts, but doesn’t it take something like that to be the richest person in the world?
I mean, he’s gotta be different in order to be in that category
A true Hail Mary effort as Tesla was nearly outta business. Our '18 Mid Range was made in the tent.
I am just posting numbers. Humans cannot see in 360 degrees at once. But they can look at their cell and text, futz with radio and a bazillion knobs, get ragged on by the ol' lady, be late for work, be drunk, you name it.
IMO, one big advantage of computer operated vehicles is, they will follow the rules of the road. People don't.
Thank god the Federal Government stepped in and gave them a loan real fast as they were about to shut down, out of money = no Tesla.
It was really Toyota who got Tesla off the ground. They invested early on but got out waaaaaay to early.
I refuse to subscribe to any feature my vehicle has . Everything better be working when I sign the papers and roll off the lot .
I'm ok with this. It makes sense. It's like paying for a subscription to any other software: as bugs are identified, patches are released. Since autonomous driving has to contend with a changing world, with new issues and threats, and since the people writing bug fixes don't work for free, this might keep incentive high to keep fixing cars and evolving the software into ever better performance. And this autonomous driving really is more software than hardware. Lots of code I bet.
And of course $100 a month likely pales in comparison to other running costs. I bet it's not even noticeable if someone choses to lease (which I think is one goal for automakers, or at least the dealers, just get people to keep signing a new line every few years).
Of course that means the car itself will eventually age out and no longer be eligible for updates--if some sensor becomes determined to be the next best thing for better control, then the older models are not going to be as good. Just like how computers eventually can't keep up and have to be replaced. Surely better cameras, LIDAR, whatever will evolve and eventually the early efforts just won't be worth supporting.
Mind you I'm in no rush to buy any car that requires a subscription. For any feature. Musk can include this with all his cars--I'll buy something else.
And of course $100 a month likely pales in comparison to other running costs. I bet it's not even noticeable if someone choses to lease (which I think is one goal for automakers, or at least the dealers, just get people to keep signing a new line every few years).
Of course that means the car itself will eventually age out and no longer be eligible for updates--if some sensor becomes determined to be the next best thing for better control, then the older models are not going to be as good. Just like how computers eventually can't keep up and have to be replaced. Surely better cameras, LIDAR, whatever will evolve and eventually the early efforts just won't be worth supporting.
Mind you I'm in no rush to buy any car that requires a subscription. For any feature. Musk can include this with all his cars--I'll buy something else.
We're really going to rationalize 41K deaths by percentage? That's all fine and dandy until it's your family member or friend.
I would argue that the number of drivers that are merely lawbreaking, are enough to give the wheel to the automation. Traffic laws seem just a suggestion these days. But maybe you live in the sticks, IDK.
As for heart disease, to some degree you have control over that. And a lot of money and research are being spent to combat it.
Do you place any value on accountability? If A.I. robot cars are responsible for 1 single death and ultimately no one can be held accountable because...reasons, that is unacceptable to me. If 41,000 people die per year on our roadways sometimes their own fault and sometimes through no fault of their own. I find this to be acceptable. I don't relish the fact that people are losing their lives. But if the alternative is no freedom of movement unless it is controlled by an A.I. god...no thanks.
Show me how anyone will be held responsible for a death involving a self driving vehicle. Think it through. Deaths will just get explained away and people such as yourself who are scared of freedom will eat it up. You guys are chomping at the bit to lose your driving privileges.
Whoever 'they' are, they want you to live in a 15 minute city and never or very infrequently leave it. They don't want you to own your own mode of transportation that could take you all across this big beautiful and scary nation of ours. And yes I live in the country. A place where they don't want anyone to live or even visit. They would have it left to the animals.
Back on topic. In general I think subscriptions in vehicles are ridiculous. Some I get, for instance a special radio type station that isn't free to everyone anyway. But a subscription to use your HVAC controls? Get the pitchforks.
In this instance here with Tesla I almost like it the subscription model. In the end this will keep more people in control of their cars. People who can be held accountable. But my freedom minded side says let them have their mindless down time and sky net can be their master. I just want to know that just like any regular person driving a non-self driving vehicle that the...operators(?) of the self-driving cars will be held responsible just like their counterparts. And if the robot car itself is the failure point then somebody should be getting paid. But like I said earlier I don't want HAL 9000 to be able to kill a single person.
People are held accountable even if FSD is used. At this point we're no where near FSD taking responsibility and also that much further from requiring it to be used to be on the road.
I guess I'm just not worried about self driving cars being the only option. FSD is pretty good in my experience, though that experience also shows me it's nowhere near ready to control every move on the road. I have the option and due to that experience I'd rather drive, but I love driving.
$99 a month? I'd pass at $9.99.
True. The younger youngens are using ride services, they’d never become drivers at all.
Elon should include $1,000,000 accidental death insurance for an extra $20 a month.