Tesla 3rd quarter world car sales

This is what I think about the "chip count" of Tesla vs other cars:

There's regular ICE cars that need engine control, pretty sophisticated stuff but not the latest and greatest, maybe some TI DSP or ARM architecture is enough, most of the complicated things are calculated ahead of time and mapped, looked up in real time instead.

There's electric motor control, inverter, etc stuff for EV, they are not that sophisticated and TI DSP, some sort of processor that can do multiply add should be enough. Prius and other EV already have those.

There's the infotainment and touch screen control, large screen means lots of visual effect. These would be using lots of processing and you might need a good smart phone chip to make it high end and desirable. Yes it is really more of a fancy phone but it sells cars, so you need them. They are Tesla and maybe in the future BMW / Mercedes? It is not an EV thing.

Then there's the auto pilot, this need a huge amount of processing power. I am not sure if Tesla install this for every non auto pilot car, it would be expensive and cost thousands.

So without the GUI touch screen and the auto pilot, I don't think Tesla uses more chips than a Chevy Bolt. If they did they would probably be doing it wrong. The chips count outside of GUI and auto pilot, highest would likely be a plug in hybrid.
 
Sorry if this has already been mentioned.
It seems that Elon is up to his tricks again, and I for one can NOT get behind a company with these ethics.
The base model 3 has just undergone an update to give it more range, but at the expense of "quickness" shall we say. Not a bad idea, probably should have been that way from the start.
Problem is, he (they) also raised the price of the car, and not insignificantly. Most likely in anticipation of a gov't rebate?
 
JohnnyG said:
Sorry if this has already been mentioned.
It seems that Elon is up to his tricks again, and I for one can NOT get behind a company with these ethics.
The base model 3 has just undergone an update to give it more range, but at the expense of "quickness" shall we say. Not a bad idea, probably should have been that way from the start.
Problem is, he (they) also raised the price of the car, and not insignificantly. Most likely in anticipation of a gov't rebate?
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You ever check the real market price of a real car these days? There is no guarantee other companies have to sell the same car in a new model year for the same price. Tesla do reduce price back then when the initial wave of early customers are gone and they improved the car's manufacturing cost. So I don't know what you think is unethical, it is just business, like everything else including other car companies.

Beside, I don't think Tesla do sky-high MSRP then rebate to dealers on volume and other shenanigans, so the price should be compared to the real price out the door of other brands.
 
JohnnyG said:
Sorry if this has already been mentioned.
It seems that Elon is up to his tricks again, and I for one can NOT get behind a company with these ethics.
The base model 3 has just undergone an update to give it more range, but at the expense of "quickness" shall we say. Not a bad idea, probably should have been that way from the start.
Problem is, he (they) also raised the price of the car, and not insignificantly. Most likely in anticipation of a gov't rebate?
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Demand sets price, right? By the way, the Model 3 is about $10K cheaper now then when we bought ours.
 
I wouldn't automatically assume that the price increase of $7000 is just for the piddly 10 miles of range. It's more related to increased costs and undoubtedly some of that increase is just because they can and customers will still buy the car.

Let's see what GM, Ford and Stellantis do with their EV prices if the rebates that are being proposed go through at the levels that are now in the bill.

And you want to talk unethical, do you think it is right for the government to favor union automakers and exclude Tesla from the maximum rebates ? Sounds like the administration is trading taxpayer dollars for campaign contributions from the UAW and also a possible restraint of trade lawsuit will be forthcoming from Elon.
 
According to Steven Ryan's latest Tesla video the increase was to manage demand. However, the Model 3 has dropped in price here in NZ and is now very competitive to other offerings. It's been the selling EV every month for a few months now.
"In pure EVs, the top-selling models for September were the Tesla Model 3 (1066 units) followed by the MG ZS (122 units) and the Hyundai Kona (84 units)."
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JohnnyG said:
Sorry if this has already been mentioned.
It seems that Elon is up to his tricks again, and I for one can NOT get behind a company with these ethics.
The base model 3 has just undergone an update to give it more range, but at the expense of "quickness" shall we say. Not a bad idea, probably should have been that way from the start.
Problem is, he (they) also raised the price of the car, and not insignificantly. Most likely in anticipation of a gov't rebate?
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What " trick" is he up to?

Why is it unethical to raise the price?

Every single component on that car is more expensive than it was a year ago- some parts astronomically so.

Having a hard time understanding your position.
 
DwightFrye said:
And you want to talk unethical, do you think it is right for the government to favor union automakers and exclude Tesla from the maximum rebates ? Sounds like the administration is trading taxpayer dollars for campaign contributions from the UAW and also a possible restraint of trade lawsuit will be forthcoming from Elon.
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This is a problem.
 
He should use it to lobby for the elimination of R-1 zoning. If he wants to sell electric vehicles he should push to create places where people can feel comfortable buying them.
 
E365 said:
Towing and Range?? Pickups are the modern day family sedan or minivan. Here’s a study suggesting 75% of pickup owners tow once or less per year. Towing anything significant is rarely done by pickup truck owners. They want something giant, with a big engine. That’s the VAST majority of the market. That’s why the Cybertruck will be successful.

I’m in Minnesota, the boat ownership capital of the world. Here’s what almost every pickup truck owner I know does: In the spring they tow their 2,000 lbs - 3,500 lbs boat/motor/trailer combo a couple hundred miles to the lake cabin. Then in the fall they tow it back home for storage, and THAT’S IT.

Sure, if you’re towing 10,000+ lbs weekly for hundreds of miles, an EV truck won’t be for you. Might never be. But also realize that’s very rare.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume

And another study suggesting just 4% of light duty pickup owners tow over 10,000 lbs.

https://fordauthority.com/2020/09/m...wners-tow-less-than-10000-pounds-study-finds/
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What an egregious talking point. Light duty, full size pickups (1/2 tons) really aren’t meant to tow 10,000 pounds. Try it. You won’t like it. Just because they “can” doesn’t mean most people do.

Towing at the maximum rating for your vehicle is a recipe for disaster. Yet the study heaps derision onto pickup owners based on a cherry picked data point.

Studies cherry picking data points out of context accomplish nothing except to make you look like a pretentious knob.

“It doesn’t get used often enough, so it’s unnecessary” isn’t the hill I’d die on.
 
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