Terrible DSL Upload - Why?

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I take a lot of images and like to upload them for use on forums. I have 768k DSL, becaue Verizon wants a ridiculous price for that ($19.99/month) let alone the faster versions. I really dont care to pay $100/mo for FIOS.

But my upload is really poor. Im uploading some images now, and they are going at 12-15KB/sec. Is this an issue on my end or is this just throttling for the sake of profit?

Is there any way I can speed it up, or is it purely maximization of profit on Verizon's end, so by annoying me more with a ridiculous upload speed, Ill get sick of it and pay more money for the "luxury"/"convenience" of faster speeds?

Thanks!
 
We had 768k Verizon DSL for many years and I never noticed them throttling. But my upload speeds never exceeded 50-60 kb/s either. I do know that their DSL is very asymmetric.

For us, Fios with cable/phone/internet ended up being cheaper than DSL/phone with their "bundling" package.
 
768 kbps is probably the advertized download speed. Upload speed is normally limited to a fraction of that. I couldn't find what Verizon limits the upload speed to, but if it's 128 kbps (quite possible), then that's what you're getting (16 KB/s).

So yes, it's Verizon's way to get you to upgrade to a higher tier.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase


For us, Fios with cable/phone/internet ended up being cheaper than DSL/phone with their "bundling" package.


Until cable TV has zero commercials, I refuse to pay money for it. I use a cellphone so bundling with pricier landline service (which isnt even useful in a power outage if the battery dies on the FIOS machine) seems ridiculous to me. I see it all as a giant ripoff.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
768 kbps is probably the advertized download speed. Upload speed is normally limited to a fraction of that. I couldn't find what Verizon limits the upload speed to, but if it's 128 kbps (quite possible), then that's what you're getting (16 KB/s). So yes, it's Verizon's way to get you to upgrade to a higher tier.

+1 and this would not be unique to Verizon; without exception nearly all DSL is ADSL with the A standing for Asymmetrical and not SDSL (Symmetrical). Even my U-Verse (which is fiber based) with a download speed of 25MBS is only ~2MBS upload. To have symmetrical upload/download speeds you have to approach enterprise class networking which usually starts with a T-1 (1.544MBS) and goes up from there. For example, my office has 3 DS-3 connections (45MBS each) and an OC-12 (622MBS).
 
You probably need a business class account to get symmetric speeds.

I don't think it is too unreasonable to optimize for pulling content especially when 99% of the traffic moves in one direction.

Someone once indicated the slow upload speeds were also to discourage the use of residential service for a business.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: cchase


For us, Fios with cable/phone/internet ended up being cheaper than DSL/phone with their "bundling" package.


Until cable TV has zero commercials, I refuse to pay money for it. I use a cellphone so bundling with pricier landline service (which isnt even useful in a power outage if the battery dies on the FIOS machine) seems ridiculous to me. I see it all as a giant ripoff.


I agree completely. The Fios battery lasts about 18-20 hours.

The internet speeds may be worth it alone though if you have a landline in your house though. They're remarkably faster than DSL.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Terrible DSL Upload - Why?


Because you paid for the cheap plan

its most likely 128kbit up /768kbit down or possibly
192kbit/768kbit

this is normal..not them ripping you off specifically.


for the longest time I had 8mbit down 512kbit up.. thats 16x faster download.

I also had 15down/1up for over a year.

I now pay for the 30MBIT down/5mbit up.. so I can work from home occasionally.

They also have a 50/5 plan


Your download is 4-6x your upload.. this is normal for ADSL.

If you buy synchronous dsl its usually overpriced business type stuff.

they also have synchronous cable here 4mbit/4mbit starts at 79$ which is more than I pay for my 30/5 unlimited.
 
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depending on the type of modem you may be able to goto its configuration page and see exactly what speed its getting etc.

Whats the model of the modem you have?
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I take a lot of images and like to upload them for use on forums. I have 768k DSL, becaue Verizon wants a ridiculous price for that ($19.99/month) let alone the faster versions. I really dont care to pay $100/mo for FIOS.

But my upload is really poor. Im uploading some images now, and they are going at 12-15KB/sec. Is this an issue on my end or is this just throttling for the sake of profit?

Is there any way I can speed it up, or is it purely maximization of profit on Verizon's end, so by annoying me more with a ridiculous upload speed, Ill get sick of it and pay more money for the "luxury"/"convenience" of faster speeds?

Thanks!


That is the nature of an asymmetrical connection, as many others have mentioned. Your upload is a fraction of your download, this is normal.

I'm on 25/4 VDSL2, but the maximum upload speed for ADSL and ADSL2+ is ~1Mbit unless you are using annex-M, which most ISP's don't support. Being that you are on 768K instead of something like 7Mbit (rough max for ADSL) or 18Mbit (rough max for ADSL2+) which are usually paired with the maximum upload speed of 1Mbit, it is to be expected that your upload is much less, and to the same degree. It sounds like your connected is like 768K/128K.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
It sounds like your connected is like 768K/128K.


Yes, that is it.

Just highly annoying when my iphone uploads at substantially higher speeds than my home service...

Yet then to do something like upload an HD youtube video, Im forced to do it over wifi, which takes hours.

And if I paid for $10 more worth of service per month to have cost parity with AT&T, Id still be slower.

So then they want me to spend $60-70/month for FIOS, which then they RIP OUT my POTS lines, no copper fed to the house anymore, and they will NOT revert you back.

Which bothers me given the reliance then on FIOS battery backup, should some of these storms hit like they have where we have been without power for many days...
 
What is the problem with going slightly up to a 1.5Mb/384kb plan? Are they that much more expensive?

I've tried 768/128 plan 7 years ago, and I couldn't take it back then. Why are you still using it now?
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
What is the problem with going slightly up to a 1.5Mb/384kb plan? Are they that much more expensive?

I've tried 768/128 plan 7 years ago, and I couldn't take it back then. Why are you still using it now?


Because it is already $19.99 PLUS the cost of a landline which does precious little for us but 911 and calling 1-800 numbers.

So Im already paying just under $50 for a 768k service.

For $50, which IS a lot of money regardless of if you are a pauper or a 1%er, I see very little reason to have to spend another dime on service which likely costs them close to zero to provide at a faster rate.
 
the biggest question is why do you have a landline?

you could get 10/1 cable for 40$ here. and there are a variety of services that are nearly free(after device purchase) that replace a landline.

30$ for the landline is the ripoff here.

AT&T quit requiring a landline for dsl here also.
 
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Some options just aren't available to everyone. Back when we lived in our first apartment ('00-02), we couldn't get any sort of high-speed 'net for the first year. So when the phone company finally rolled out DSL, I snatched up the 768/128k service in a heartbeat. I think we paid about $40/month for it, but it was WAY better than the 50kbit connections we had before!

The city I work at, 35 miles away, has cable service up to 50Mbit. Here in our town we only get up to 7 last I knew. And you pay royally for that 7Mbit (About the same as the other city's 50MBit service).

We pay $44.95/month for 3Mbit down/512Kb up. It's about the best price/performance ratio I can get.
 
Originally Posted By: Rand
the biggest question is why do you have a landline?

you could get 10/1 cable for 40$ here. and there are a variety of services that are nearly free(after device purchase) that replace a landline.

30$ for the landline is the ripoff here.

AT&T quit requiring a landline for dsl here also.


True enough point, unless you dont desire to be reliant on cell towers.

I boycott cable tv, because I refuse to pay to watch commercials.

I beleive we have to have a landline for dsl here.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I boycott cable tv, because I refuse to pay to watch commercials.

Most cable providers will sell you internet access alone these days.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I boycott cable tv, because I refuse to pay to watch commercials.

Most cable providers will sell you internet access alone these days.


For $50 or more.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I boycott cable tv, because I refuse to pay to watch commercials.

Most cable providers will sell you internet access alone these days.


For $50 or more.

Who is your cable provider?

You said you're already paying around $50 for 768K/128K internet access and you don't use the voice part of it. Wouldn't you rather be paying $50 for something like 6 Mbps down/1 Mbps up internet access from a cable company instead? Also, out here Comcast will also offer less expensive slower economy internet access (I think it's around 1.5 Mbps down/0.5 Mbps up) if you specifically call and ask. It is not an advertized offering and they typically only bring it up into the conversation if a customer is threatening to leave because he refuses to pay for the standard offering.
 
I love FIOS





For the love of god just get the fios $89.99 bundle and be done with it. You rely on pots line and it can go out just like anything. As a matter of fact in areas that have fios verizon is no longer spending any money to maintain the pots lines. They are deteriorating and all they are doing is splicing things back together when there is a problem. They took all the long time pots techs and retrained them to work on fiber and hired a few new guys to work on the pots lines and those guys have no clue what they are doing.
 
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