Taking Kharg Island

[Snagglefoot]

Advice from a Muslim scholar living in the USA: " In the Muslim world, the pain and suffering in a war is a noble sign of worthiness. "

The western mind will never understand that.

 

[Snagglefoot]

Last picture of him - he needed a Ba’ath

Yeah, didn't want him “ Hanging" around.

 

[nickaluch]

I have zero interest in another middle east war we lost enough young lives spent trillions of dollars and decades of war on issues that have been on there land since before Jesus was born.

 

[Cropduster172]

America can NOT win a ground war against Iran.

And you know this how?

 

[nickaluch]

I have wondered the same thing. More profits for the oil companies when oil prices go even higher? I have no skin in the game except my wallet getting lighter. Send the boys in and let’s see where the chips fall.

I'm guessing the "boys" are not your son or daughter. There lives are worth more than your wallet

 

[nickaluch]

And you know this how?

Because we haven't won a ground war in the middle east yet

 

[Owen Lucas]

he electronic parts are easy to smuggle, but the engines are rather bulky. Everyone has seen those Pakistani videos of men casting aluminum parts on street sidewalks as well as casting iron crankshaft blanks while wearing sandals.

The electronic bits are also very basic, how they are able to target something like a radar or specific target 300 miles away is above my paygrade, but I've read that the russians are using cellphones as computers on some drones. The earlier Shaheds had basic PCB boards that looked like someone DIY'd them. It's not high tech.

The cat is out of the bag with drones, any 5th grader can make one now.

Not every location can have a CRAM, especially if someone flies a drone 3 feet off the ground, stops, waits, moves, and then strikes. How do you stop that?

Let’s not forget about China and Russian taking interest if “ boots are on the ground”. Re-arming Iran through Pakistan would be a cake walk.

Karachi is a major container port. The Drive from Karachi to the Iranian border near the Strait of Hormuz is about 10 hours.

Russia just sent 30+ tons of "medical aid". I wonder what was in those pallets.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Because we haven't won a ground war in the middle east yet

How would you define winning?

People have this WW2 perspective that we win and replace the government with a democracy. ME people don’t want one. Can’t work by definition.

So we need to decide on a new objective.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Russia just sent 30+ tons of "medical aid". I wonder what was in those pallets.

Up until 3 weeks ago Iran and China were sending supplies to Russia.

The winner in Iran may end up being Ukraine.

 

[Owen Lucas]

How would you define winning?

People have this WW2 perspective that we win and replace the government with a democracy. ME people don’t want one. Can’t work by definition.

So we need to decide on a new objective.

I think the point was to stop the nuke program and then prevent the same guys who started it from coming back to do it all over again.

The second part is harder to do because there are a lot of loyalists and you can't kill each one.

I'm sure Mossad and the CIA are working overtime to pinpoint these guys. There are likely some compromised people in the regime that might be IRGC in name only, if that's possible, and hope those can make their way to the top.

I think the long term solution is not to use the strait at all if that's possible, pipelines, etc.

 

[Astro14]

Advice from a Muslim scholar living in the USA: " In the Muslim world, the pain and suffering in a war is a noble sign of worthiness. "

The western mind will never understand that.

Those of us who lived, worked, and fought in the Middle most certainly do. We are acutely aware of the mindset among various groups. We spent every day of our lives dealing with the problems caused by those various, often devout or extreme mindsets.

Ethnicity is more than just religion, it includes race, culture/heritage, geography, economic and political background. There are a wide variety of ethnicities. Even in the Middle East.

You found a quote. From a Muslim not living there.

That’s cute.

To presume that it makes you better informed than those of us with a lot of time there, well, that speaks for itself.

To presume that one quote speaks for all Muslims (Islam has over two billion followers, spans over 100 nations ) is laughably naïve.

Finally, Iran has launched attacks on Bahrain (Shia majority).

To presume that their Shia brothers will come running to Iran’s rescue after those attacks? Yeah, right.

 

[GON]

These people would absolutely go scorched Earth and and not hesitate to kill their own people or destroy their own resources to kill Americans

I might revise your post a bit:

These people that have been afforded extremely special privilege at the absolute expense of people without any voice or say, would absolutely go scorched Earth and not hesitate to kill their own people or destroy their own resources to do anything and everything possible to maintain control of the special privilege they are afford, as are their heirs.

 

[Zee09]

What's surprising to me is that Iran the size of Texas x2 is nothing but a vast military complex with a few citizens sprinkled in and they are unimportant in the scheme of things.

They had plans of taking over the world and or destroying it... That regime can't be negotiated with.

6 more regime members whacked today.

 

[Al]

It's their home turf. That alone puts us at a huge disadvantage.

Destroy Iran's power grid putting 90 million people in a no power situation? Then Iran responds by droning all the desalination plants in the area resulting in no fresh water for anyone anywhere.

Might as well just launch some nukes.

I have the feeling you are overestimating what a nation with no power is capable of doing. The know we can do that. They are dying on the vine.

 

[slo town]

I have wondered the same thing. More profits for the oil companies when oil prices go even higher? I have no skin in the game except my wallet getting lighter. Send the boys in and let’s see where the chips fall.

I'm guessing the "boys" are not your son or daughter. There lives are worth more than your wallet

THIS is the problem with our volunteer military. If we had a draft - and we should - the American public would be more active in expressing their beliefs to our leaders - not to mention providing opportunities for the younger generations who say they have none.

Additionally, a mandatory draft might see those with dual citizenships return to their country of origin. These people are the ones who come to America for opportunity, it's standard of living, our law and order, etc.; yet are unwilling to defend it. Good riddance to them. I'm talking to you Silicon Valley.

Scott

 

[Snagglefoot]

We’ll, I’m going to sit back and watch the war unfold. I’m told it will be over in two weeks. That is if anyone knows when it’s over. Some guys were saying the USA already won. Some guys said there was no war. Back to oil filters.

 

[Pew]

I have the feeling you are overestimating what a natation with no power is capable of doing. The know we c an do that. They are dying on the vine.

We took Iraq in a month but got stuck in counter insurgency for 20 years.

 

[nickaluch]

We’ll, I’m going to sit back and watch the war unfold. I’m told it will be over in two weeks. That is if anyone knows when it’s over. Some guys were saying the USA already won. Some guys said there was no war. Back to oil filters.

Sadly war in the middle east is never over has been going on for over 2000 years

 

[fdcg27]

Another way of looking at this is that Iran feels it has put the West in check with its effective control of the Strait.
Taking Kharg would be mate, since it is Iran's oil export gateway.
Kharq could be a very valuable bargaining chip, especially were Iran given back channel assurances that the American occupiers would not destroy the facilities on the island unless they were attacked.
Given the quality of forces now amassed in the region in numbers are nothing like sufficient for a ground assault on the Iranian mainland, an assault on Kharq looks likely.

 

[Astro14]

That’s enough. Trolling commentary and ad hominem posts removed.

Thread locked.