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Taking Kharg Island
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That's an interesting video. Absolutely sad about the finance situation though. I'm suspicious about where this is actually filmed though, from my understanding these women can't walk around dressed as casually as this they would have been taken directly to jail and never seen from again. So either they are abroad or somethings up here. They sure are fashionable and well accessorized for an islamic regime. @AutoMechanic There are some nice honies over there, if you can get passed the strait and the Kharg island situation, you'll be living like a king!
We have fired over 800 Tomahawks in this conflict and an unknown number of SM-3 and SM-6 air defense missiles. The latter are quite indeed the "good stuff". If you think our real adversaries aren't salivating at what they're learning about our capabilities...
As I said in my first reply, our military is very proficient tactically. We won't "lose" any battle in this conflict. May we utterly fail to achieve any strategic objective (what exactly are those, today?) while creating more problems than we solve? Entirely possible.
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Yep-we don't have an "end game" either.
I wonder if asking the same question in the USA wouldn’t get the same answers.
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Man you have an imagination.
I don’t think we’ll be seeing anything that is an “ unconditional surrender” and I sure can’t see the US military leaving “ within the next two weeks”. As for boots on the ground, Holy Cow!
OR-concerned that they are just "that good"?
I have been watching some yt videos about the entire setup. Iran has an army of ( acording to some, about a million if they call up retired soldiers. And they are blooded with fights with Iraq. These ain't no parade only and look good for the leader paper tiger army. ) Sure, we dominate re tech and aircraft, and across all branches coordination. But that Island is soooooooooo close that any foreign troops ( our troops ) on it would be the targets for a turkyshoot of missles from Iran.
It's their home turf. That alone puts us at a huge disadvantage.
They know their and our strong points and weak points. They also know of our November election, our price of fuel, and how causing fuel prices to be high until after the November election will in their own way attack our governent. They ain't stupid. And they likley are in this for the long haul. We got them pissed off, and in their way, with what they have, they are fighting back. I think they will take the losses to stay in it for the November election effect.
The Powell Doctrine provides an intelligent checklist of things to do before going to war. And all of those items have not been checked off. In fact, it's like the entir list has been ignored. To paraphrase what is often said about starting a business, the ones who fail to plan, plan to fail.
God bless everyone of our military who serve to protect us.
It's their home turf. That alone puts us at a huge disadvantage.
They know their and our strong points and weak points. They also know of our November election, our price of fuel, and how causing fuel prices to be high until after the November election will in their own way attack our governent. They ain't stupid. And they likley are in this for the long haul. We got them pissed off, and in their way, with what they have, they are fighting back. I think they will take the losses to stay in it for the November election effect.
The Powell Doctrine provides an intelligent checklist of things to do before going to war. And all of those items have not been checked off. In fact, it's like the entir list has been ignored. To paraphrase what is often said about starting a business, the ones who fail to plan, plan to fail.
God bless everyone of our military who serve to protect us.
If you stop that oil it raises oil price even more and lessens supply for everyone.
It doesn’t open the strait.
A series of lousy choices for sure.
Those Iranians have more money than a average Finnish citizen. Or at least a job.
Same goes for EU. Looks like Western society it's on its last year's
No question with the drones. But they had a stockpile of 10's of thousands of missles. They were building them for a reason. Pay me now or pay me later" Kicking the can down the road for 47 years.....
I am not in favor of losing any more American lives in this thing. But my understanding is those Americans involved want to git-er-done. Destroy the grid, remove their access to oil, make it impossible for them to build a tricycle forever.
The other thing is that all our war toys are proven and they work. China knows this. Russia is a has been.
We will be looking at $2 gas next year. Yep call me optimistic. I have a Grandson in the Marines (served his active duty). I am guessing the loved ones of those 240 Marines feel different than you. I could be wrong.
No they are learning not to screw with us.
Their "home" will consist of no infrastructure
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No they are learning not to screw with us.
Iran is doing okay at least with economic war. I believe they would blow it up before handing it over.
There needs to be more assessment on drone construction. What’s the inside story on these? Are the parts coming in from the porous border with Pakistan? The electronic parts are easy to smuggle, but the engines are rather bulky. Everyone has seen those Pakistani videos of men casting aluminum parts on street sidewalks as well as casting iron crankshaft blanks while wearing sandals. There is 100 million people in Iran and probably 25 million are capable of make drones. That’s a lot of doors to be knocked down.
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My fear is in order to take Kharg, they will likely have to land Marines there, and to do that they will have to transverse the Strait. You can bet the Iranians are just waiting for the chance to take potshots at a Navy vessel, not to mention the possibility they mined hap hazardly in there. As far as all the bombing, thats all nice and dandy but how well did that work in Vietnam?
I just don’t like the fact we are running this operation like a dog chasing a car. What’s the goal here?
I just don’t like the fact we are running this operation like a dog chasing a car. What’s the goal here?
Drones have really levelled the “playing field” in modern warfare, assuming the enemy is close enough to use them.
Compared to missiles they are cheap and easy to manufacture(relative to missiles) but can have a similar effect.
Also seems the US may be behind on how to defend against them.
Compared to missiles they are cheap and easy to manufacture(relative to missiles) but can have a similar effect.
Also seems the US may be behind on how to defend against them.
Let’s not forget about China and Russian taking interest if “ boots are on the ground”. Re-arming Iran through Pakistan would be a cake walk.
Karachi is a major container port. The Drive from Karachi to the Iranian border near the Strait of Hormuz is about 10 hours.
Karachi is a major container port. The Drive from Karachi to the Iranian border near the Strait of Hormuz is about 10 hours.
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