Supersyn Results - 2000 VW 1.8T

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Results are from a 2000 VW Jetta 1.8 Turbo. Modifications include performance chip, full exhaust, cold air intake w/cone filter.

Miles on both samples were about the same (about 4100 for the TS, 4200 for the Supersyn) as were driving conditions (hot highway driving).

Results
tri-syn 5w30 Supersyn 5w30

Wear
Copper 3,2
Iron 11,6
Chromium 0,0
Lead 2,0
Aluminum 2,3
Silicon 11,10
Tin 0,0

Additives
Molybdenum 1,50
Sodium 4,4
Magnesium 1320,158
Zinc 672,617
Potassium 8,7
Phosphorus 594,579
Calcium 762,1880

Physical Properties
Water negative negative
Fuel negative negative
Antifreeze negative negative
Soot 40,0
Oxidation 22,18
Nitration 16,33
Sulfur 20,0
TBN 10,9
vis@100 C 11.4,9.8

This is the second analyis I have seen in recent weeks that seems to indicate that Supersyn is, indeed, the best Mobil 1 ever. Wear metals have effectively been cut in half, and everything else is at least as good (other than the Nitration, which is probably my plugs going).
 
This looks good! I can't wait to put in the SuperSyn in my wife's car now. I don't even mind
sticking with the 5w30 either, as it doesn't appear to thin out at all, and frankly she needs
the gas mileage, she's the only one I know who can only get 21MPG out of a Civic! (I used to get 28-30MPG when I drove the car)
 
Those numbers look great! I am glad to see Mobil corrected the thinning problem, and yes it does appear this is the best Mobil 1 yet.
 
Wow, looks good, maybe Mobil with their billions in research $$ knows what they are doing....are you running the 0W-40 this interval?
 
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Wow, looks good, maybe Mobil with their billions in research $$ knows what they are doing....are you running the 0W-40 this interval?
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Yes, I am running 0W40 right now. It's going to be a while though, because I am back in school now so I'm not commuting 120 miles a day. Also, it's not going to be a fair comparison because I'll be doing a lot more short trips and the weather will be colder.
 
Great, thanks for the results
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Looks good. Can't wait to get the SS results back for the 00 Jimmy. Sent it out on Monday.
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Well, I'm not terribly happy with Mobil 1 after using it (TriSyn and the formula which came before it) in my Honda Civic for nearly 100,000 miles (zero wear my foot!
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) but it looks like their formula is finally improved to the point where its performance is beginning to match its hype. If it's still emissions friendly (and I'd bet it is) that's quite an accomplishment.
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I see a modicum (50ppm used) of moly in this recent example. I'd guess that's the key.
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Bob, tempted to try another sample or two of this stuff in ye olde Timken machine?

--- Bror Jace
 
Bror, Bob did try another sample of the SS on his Timken and he gave it the thumbs up!

He still had his old bottle of SS though, and that bottle still tested to be terrible, so either Mobil 1 has some bad QC issues, or they didn't have moly in the first batches of SuperSyn.
 
Bror.......... Could you be specific about what type of wear you encountered on your Civic in 100K miles? Also what were your change intervals and filters used? I have run a lot of high milers and never see any wear once I get M1 into them. I even ran my 88 GMC from 67K to a current 214K with shot valve guides and seals the whole way (from overheating I think, it was sludged) Regards, RW
 
I hope Bror doesn't mind me answering for him. I believe he has used 5-7k intervals with Mobil 1 since his car was new, and at around the 100k mark or so, his car started developing a nasty piston slap, which is now eliminated with the switch to Redline (probably the moly helped it out, as well as Redline's slightly thicker nature compared to M1) So it appears that M1 did not do all that great of a job protecting his engine. I think the new formula with moly would probably have saved his engine had it been out sooner.
 
Additionally, during the "piston slap" period, Bror did not do oil analysis/has no oil analysis history to determine the potential "cause" of his piston slap. i.e. did he have high silicon intake/fuel dilution, etc. which could exacerbate or cause the 'piston slap' to begin with. My concern was that he blamed Mobil 1 for the cause. I suggested other "causes".. It seemed unfair to me to blame the oil when from my fairly exensitve expereince, piston slap is generally rooted by something other than oil and certainly other than Mobil 1. Now that Red Line has muted/masked the piston slap, great, but that does not mean that it has 'cured' the problem but masked the symptom... Mobil 1 has been used in millions of vehicles, comes OEM in Corvette, Porsche etc. all without "piston slap"... We personally have 3 Honda's with collectively over 500,000 miles on them having used Mobil 1 10w30 since day one, no "piston slap"... We have several Honda race team customers that have been using Mobil 1 exclusively for years and again, no "piston slap"... Cannot let Bror's comments go un-commented...
George Morrison, STLE CLS
 
Goerge,Just as you cannot let Bror's statement go uncommented I cannot let yours
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Here it is in black and white,the Supersyn is better in this engine,oil companies are always trying building a better mouse trap,here is a example of your Mobil building a better oil as Bror has suggested

It also cannot go unsaid the Mobil Trysyn could have allowed that motor to wear. It "could" factor in among others things as has been pointed out.
Sorry but Mobil synthetic is not the answer to all,this comes from the First owner of a handed down to my Daughter 92 Cavalier with 200k and Pennzoil since new and no signs of the engine failing in the near future

I kinda like the Supersyn,still opt for a good dino for my cars though

Miles on both samples were about the same (about 4100 for the TS, 4200 for the Supersyn) as were driving conditions (hot highway driving).

Results
tri-syn 5w30 Supersyn 5w30

Wear
Copper 3,2
Iron 11,6
Chromium 0,0
Lead 2,0
Aluminum 2,3
Silicon 11,10
Tin 0,0

Additives
Molybdenum 1,50
Sodium 4,4
Magnesium 1320,158
Zinc 672,617
Potassium 8,7
Phosphorus 594,579
Calcium 762,1880

Physical Properties
Water negative negative
Fuel negative negative
Antifreeze negative negative
Soot 40,0
Oxidation 22,18
Nitration 16,33
Sulfur 20,0
TBN 10,9
vis@100 C 11.4,9.8

This is the second analyis I have seen in recent weeks that seems to indicate that Supersyn is, indeed, the best Mobil 1 ever. Wear metals have effectively been cut in half, and everything else is at least as good (other than the Nitration, which is probably my plugs going).

[ August 29, 2002, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: dragboat ]
 
That is dbrowns analysis from the top of the thread,I have a small fleet of cars here He He!Actually too many _ Primarily Pennzoil for now

Using three different oils in 7 cars,looks as if My Mothers car will soon get the Supersyn though just because of driving habits-edit no Mobil after some tests,other reading ect

How many miles on your Escort now Bob? It is getting close to 200k w/o being a full synthetic correct? I like the Shaeffers blend,I see it could probably be used in a pretty potent street rod with good results as well

We all need to remember any oil will not keep the big end of a rod from elongating and will"should" not be lubing a valve stem/guide
I ca't keep from getting kicked off line long enoigh to finish a post or edit,will be back when new ISP is found

[ September 02, 2002, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: dragboat ]
 
As I shared in another post, I have not seen any definitive trends in the hundred or so Mobil 1 analysis results I have reviewed as you have have in your one analysis of the Tri-syn vs. Supersyn....
What I was attempting to share was there were many other factors that can cause "piston slap" and most are not related to oil.. For Mobil 1 to be condemned as "the" cause brings forth discussion.... :-)
Also, when we are talking single digits, it is dificult to make the deduction "cut wear in half". In spectrographic oil analysis we have to look at trends and cannot write a book based on one or two analysis.
That said, I do agree that Supersyn is a superior oil fromulation compared with Tri Syn.. I was a loner a month ago in stating exactly that..
George Morrison
 
I just sent you a direct link to the service I use which is half the price of AOL and is everywhere. I have been using them in the early 90's and everywhere I have travel'd to they have a local line.

I'm a little over 93,000 on my escort. Actually I had planned on sending a sample and putting in the full mineral base 15w40 from schaeffers and run it the same miles. I'll be going to St Louis in Nov, so I'll have the milage by the end of the year I suspect.
 
And I find that blaming a motor oil-especially a fully synthetic motor oil for inherant and probable mechanical problems is BS. You mean to tell me that using a conventional oil,say perhaps Castrol GTX, would solve the underlying problem of the piston slap over any full synthetic? You had used one of the best motor oil's on the market for your honda and it still did not fix the piston slap. To me, that would indicate an internal issue that has no relation to motor oil-regardless of brand and type and clearly warrants a more thorough examination of the mechanics.

Bror, out of curiousity, do you have to reset the valve tappets every 15-20k on your Honda. Also worth a mention since I'm tossing out pertinent questions, do you think the noise could be the egr system cycling on and off?
 
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