"Star Trek": 50 years ago today

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Originally Posted By: Benzadmiral
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
I was just watching a StarTrek episode where they land in San Francisco back in time and try to help this attractive female whale scientist try to save these whale mates.

The female whale scientist was driving a pickup and I noticed that the Power Steering system had a squeal.
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Good character detail. She was so concerned about the whales, she wasn't having her pickup serviced regularly!

I'm a minority when it comes to that movie, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. It's cute and funny and all, but not a patch on the epic quality of films 2 and 3. And there's a physical-laws issue: the alien ship has stirred up the oceans into tremendous storms. Waves many feet high are ripping around the earth. And then Kirk's returned whales give out with their "songs," and magically the waves cease; their inertia is canceled. There should have been a line of dialog, perhaps from Spock, about that, explaining that the aliens had done it. "Instant, total cancellation of inertia. Fascinating."


But accelerating to warp 9 in a few seconds.…
 
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
...and try to help this attractive female whale scientist try to save these whale mates.

The female whale scientist was driving a pickup and I noticed that the Power Steering system had a squeal.
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MK, you check out the old Chevy truck all you want. While you do, I will check out Catherine Hicks every time "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" reruns.
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Originally Posted By: IndyIan
I remember watching the reruns of the original series Saturday mornings on the tv channel when I was 8 or 9. It sure was different than anything else on at that time. Next Generation was on during my HS years and I liked it as well. DS9 stunk IMHO, could never watch it.

Same for me. Reruns were where I saw it first, always liked it when it was on. TNG was a little slow and awkward at first, but really turned in to a great show IMO. I never got into Voyager. DS9 was just plain stupid. Enterprise was beginning to become a good show when it got canceled.
Not 100% onboard with the reboot of the movies, but they are a decent watch.
 
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: Benzadmiral
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
I was just watching a StarTrek episode where they land in San Francisco back in time and try to help this attractive female whale scientist try to save these whale mates.

The female whale scientist was driving a pickup and I noticed that the Power Steering system had a squeal.
lol.gif



Good character detail. She was so concerned about the whales, she wasn't having her pickup serviced regularly!

I'm a minority when it comes to that movie, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. It's cute and funny and all, but not a patch on the epic quality of films 2 and 3. And there's a physical-laws issue: the alien ship has stirred up the oceans into tremendous storms. Waves many feet high are ripping around the earth. And then Kirk's returned whales give out with their "songs," and magically the waves cease; their inertia is canceled. There should have been a line of dialog, perhaps from Spock, about that, explaining that the aliens had done it. "Instant, total cancellation of inertia. Fascinating."


But accelerating to warp 9 in a few seconds.…


Yeah, but they're used to that after years in Starfleet. This is something completely, yanno, weird, right?
 
Originally Posted By: blupupher

Same for me. Reruns were where I saw it first, always liked it when it was on. TNG was a little slow and awkward at first, but really turned in to a great show IMO. I never got into Voyager. DS9 was just plain stupid. Enterprise was beginning to become a good show when it got canceled.
Not 100% onboard with the reboot of the movies, but they are a decent watch.

TNG impressed me almost from the beginning. They had some clinker episodes, yes, but many went where the original series never did, or could -- the introduction of the truly terrifying and alien Borg, for example.

Voyager and DS9 kept getting moved around to different days and times on my local TV stations, and so I missed great hulking parts of both. (I understand DS9 revisited the Empire universe from "Mirror, Mirror" -- remember the goatee-wearing Spock? -- and found the Empire was weakening, just as that Spock predicted.) What I saw of each impressed me, esp. Kate Mulgrew's captain; not many actresses could make me believe her as a starship captain, but Kate did.

And I have not seen more than 2 episodes of Enterprise. I'm not sure why. I think I'd read they had ignored or retconned some of the original series' future history, and that annoyed me: If you're gonna play in the universe established by Roddenberry, Coon, Fontana, Berman, et al., you need to observe their rules. Bend 'em, sure; ignore 'em, no.
 
Originally Posted By: blupupher
DS9 was just plain stupid.

Those who disliked DS9 and stopped watching early would be well served to watch the last few seasons, particularly with the Dominion War. Things got a lot more exciting.
 
I enjoyed the "all inclusive" nature of TOS. Lt. Uhura's quarters decorated with the character's cultural heritage. Denise Nichols story on how she became involved with Star Trek is charming. James Doohan's "Scotty" as the chief engineer was a nice extension of the tradition of the ship's Scottish engineer dating back to the time of steam ships. They even had a Russian (at the peak of the cold war) in Checkov. Then there was Sulu and others.
 
Big fan of the original series and TNG; not much interest after that.

Height of the Cold War and social strife there is a black woman and Russian on the bridge crew (as mentioned)...

Put the show in context; this was a series BEFORE man landed on the moon.

The originals were written by different SciFi authors; that is why some were super serious (like the Nazi one seldom seen) and the Tribbles; you never knew what you were going to get.
 
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Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Big fan of the original series and TNG; not much interest after that.

Height of the Cold War and social strife there is a black woman and Russian on the bridge crew (as mentioned)...

Put the show in context; this was a series BEFORE man landed on the moon.

The originals were written by different SciFi authors; that is why some were super serious (like the Nazi one seldom seen) and the Tribbles; you never knew what you were going to get.

Before the moon landings, yes, I seem to recall one of the last network summer reruns was during that week in July of 1969.

GR recruited print SF authors (Jerome Bixby, Theodore Sturgeon, Jerry Sohl), and one or two like Richard Matheson and Harlan Ellison who had done TV as well. According to reports, he often heavily rewrote them to make their scripts match the show's format; probably that was GR's No. 1 talent as a writer, improving through rewrite. The original script version of Ellison's "City on the Edge of Forever," I hear, had an Enterprise crewmember pushing drugs, and the spectacle of Kirk abandoning his ship and career for Edith Keeler. I've never read it, only heard reports. But clearly that would have had to be reshaped to fit the already established format of the series.
 
Was surfing through Netflix last night, and they do have the Star Trek original series available. I am sure I missed a good many episodes over the years, so I saved it to my watch list for the next time I want to boldly go where no man has gone before.
 
I watched the original ST as a kid, then loved the intellectual challenge presented by TNG. I later watched all the rest, but Next Gen was my favorite. I have even use a phrase spoken by Captain Jean-Luc Picard here on BITOG before, as it relates to certain driving situations:

"To the wall, Mr. LaForge!"


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TOS and TNG were generally very good. DS9 was mixed, but had some very interesting story arcs with Garak, Odo and other characters. Voyager was not great. Especially as it went on.

First reboot in 2009 was not bad. Latest one was complete garbage.
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest
. . . First reboot in 2009 was not bad. Latest one was complete garbage.

Casting on the first film was first-rate, esp. Karl Urban's channeling of DeForest Kelley as Dr. McCoy. The second film was a weak attempt to capitalize on the best of the TOS-series films, Wrath of Khan. And I haven't seen the third, though I'll get to it when it comes out on DVD at the library. (That alone shows you either how far I've fallen from my real Trek fan days, or how far the quality of the productions has fallen.)
 
I liked both TOS & TNG despite the occasional clunker episodes. I absolutely loved DS9 (even despite a few bad ones). I found it very hard to care about Voyager and never saw enough of Enterprise to give it a fair evaluation, though I dislike the idea of going back in time vis a vis the previous shows. I've not seen any of the reboot movies in their entirety and won't go out of my way to. The trailers I have seen do not impress me. What bothers me most about Trek now is that the cerebral content seems to be downplayed and what is left of it isn't as good as it used to be...giving me little hope that things will improve.
 
The first reboot movie was very good. A little weak on the cerebral content that made Star Trek what it is, but very well made.

The second was pretty good as a space action movie, but terrible as Star Trek.

The third was... still not great as a Star Trek movie per se, but at least a step in the right direction.
 
I watched it as a kid in syndication and I think it was far more popular in the 70's that it was during the original airing. Tonight, Svengoolie is playing the original pilot as an anniversary special on MeTV...
 
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Gotta love dialogue like this; eyecandy isnt bad either...

I never found any of the female regulars in TOS or TNG to be "eye candy". There were quite a few of the Kirk girls that were pretty though.

Now Jeri Ryan as Seven of 9 on Voyager, she is hot (but not hot enough to get me to watch Voyager).

Jolene Blalock as T'Pol on Enterprise was pleasant on the eyes also.
 
Just MHO.

TOS was extremely groundbreaking for a few reasons:

Earth as a socialist utopia
Japanese, Russian, and female/African-American bridge officers
Interracial kiss

The series was very bold and forward-thinking.

TNG started out pretty lost and campy, but quickly found its way to some very solid character development and stories. They did the best job of the spinoffs as presenting space as a mysterious, large, fascinating, and dangerous place.

The Borg are probably the best science-fiction enemy ever to be created. Definitely up there with Skynet/Terminators, Alien, Predator. The only thing worse than an ultimate evil is ultimate indifference.

DS9 definitely had the best depth of character development of all of the series, examining many TNG races that were previously only scratched on the surface (Cardassians, Ferengi, Bajorans, Klingons, Mirror Universe,). We also got to know Chief O'Brien and Worf a lot better, particularly O'Brien's experience as a war veteran and resulting PSD/racism toward Cardassians.

As far as Trek girls go, I have only one thing to say: Chase Masterson leaning over a Dabo table.

DS9 was a look at a not-so-friendly universe where very bad things can happen any day of the week. It's a different look at the universe where wholesale exploitation, gambling, vice, spying, plotting, conquest, conflict, slavery, terrorism, racism, betrayal, fanaticism, genocide, war crimes and all of the ugly facts are alive and well in a place that hangs on the edge of the known universe. The aforementioned "A Walk in the Pale Moonlight" and the episode where Ezri Dax channels a repressed serial killer identity to catch a Vulcan sniper serial killer aboard the station are some of my favorites.

If you gave up on DS9 early, just start watching after the introduction of the Starfleet warship Defiant, and I bet you will be quite taken with the development of things. DS9 had to break free of the "old ways" and come into it's own.

I watched the entire Voyager series, but it was more than a little too goofy for my taste. I'm quite surprised that with the struggle to maintain viewers, that they decided to use pretty much this same formula for Enterprise. Even the Borg were cut down a notch in their formidability/fear factor. I was NOT a fan of that "fluidic space" story line at all. I found a lot of the characters watered-down or just annoying as well. Where deeper development on DS9 was revealing and interesting; Voyager's was usually lame and forgettable. Tuvok the Vulcan and B'Elanna the Klingon were headliners of a list I call "100 Thing I never Wanted to Know About Vulcans and Klingons". Chakotay the Native American? I always groaned when I realized I was about to watch a "Chakotay Episode". Nothing was worse than Tom Paris, however. Started of as a complete dingus, and acted like a teenager for the rest of the series. Neelix struggled to find a place and purpose on the ship. I think viewers also wondered what the heck he was doing on the ship, and what his purpose was. No big shock when they did away with that character. Kes? Same thing. Jeri Ryan as Seven-Of-Nine was a huge step in the right direction.

I give major credit to Kate Mulgrew as Captain Janeway. She and Seven were much needed breaths of fresh air on the warp-powered Island of Misfit Toys.

Enterprise? Wow. What to say about that. Nothing about that whole show made any sense at all. I wouldn't trust an undisciplined idiot like Captain Archer to run a fishing charter, let alone a space ship. Coming from a military family, I found Archer completely unbelievable as a Captain. He was more like a manager of a Applebee's than a starship captain. His "Darn it! This is really hard and I don't know what's going on!" approach to captaincy was a major letdown. And since when did the Vulcans become such a bunch of apathetic a-holes anyway? Rest of crew, besides Trip Tucker was seriously forgettable.

Xindi War was really good. Archer finally turning into a grown-up was nice, but too little, too late.

New Trek movies? Started good, but moved in the wrong direction fast. Beyond is kind of bringing it back on the rails, but they really have to do a much better job on the next film. Karl Urban is great as McCoy. Zachary Quinto does a great job as a young Spock. The "alternative lifestyle" Sulu? Why? Even George Takei (who is gay) thought that was a bad idea.

I'm really hoping that they get their act together for the next movie. If they can, maybe we might even see a return of Trek on TV.
 
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