Stabil needed with Amsoil Saber 100:1?

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I use Amsoil Saber 100:1 2 stroke oil in my blower and weed wacker which I'm about to store for the winter. I think I recall seeing some 2 stroke oils (Sears syn?) claiming that they had a preservative in them. Is this true for Amsoil's Saber?

FYI - I think it's pretty cool that this stuff works at such a lean ratio and is also cost effective at that ratio (100:1).
 
Several 2 stroke oils come with a stabilizer for the fuel. They had to out of self-preservation ( no pun intended ). Not sure about Ams.

About 18 years ago the "mixers" at the blending stations were ordered to change the formula of gasoline, effectively removing any stabilizers that were in it. I should say that I only know this happened at the plant close to me, but I'm guessing the formula was changed universally, given that gas doesn't have much of a storage life anymore.

Why would they do this? The reason I heard from the chemist was simply that it "wasn't needed anymore"..... that it was part of an old formula.

Well, that's probably true for cars, but for small engines that frequently get put away with gas still in the tank, that created a huge problem. Gas that gets left too long these days turns to varnish ( for lack of a better term ). It melts fuel lines, plugs fuel nozzles, plugs fuel filters, etc.

As far as your 100-1 ratio....geez, I never like to hear that kind of thing because you're living right on the edge of wetness by doing that. You have zero margin of error when using such a lean mixture. The question I would ask you is...why do that? All you have to do is have your high speed fuel nozzle get a tiny bit plugged, and it won't take long to score your engine. Or run it on a hot day, same result. Back it off to 50-1 and now you've given yourself some cushion for failure, that's my recommendation. 30 years of working on 2 cycles has taught me that much....

To store your equipment for the Winter, dump all the fuel out of the tank, and then start the machine and keep working the choke back and forth until it won't run anymore. Then leave the gas cap off until the remaining fuel evaporates from the tank.

Hope this helps...
 
I am 99.999% sure Amsoil 2 stroke oils do not come with fuel stabilizer in them. I'm sure I will be corrected if I am wrong.
I add fuel stabilizer to all two stroke oils. Then you can just let them sit over the winter without any worry.


I have seen oil/fuel stabilizer combos. But they are few and far between.
 
I could have sworn that the saber bottle makes the claim that it stabilizes the fuel...
 
A different philosophy on storage: Use stabilizer and fill the tank full. This keeps the seals from drying out, and prevents moisture from entering the system.

At 100:1, there could not be much stabilizer in Amsoil Saber. My $.02.
 
Originally Posted By: Georgiadave
A different philosophy on storage: Use stabilizer and fill the tank full. This keeps the seals from drying out, and prevents moisture from entering the system.

At 100:1, there could not be much stabilizer in Amsoil Saber. My $.02.


This would be the worst thing to do. Especially if you stored it for an extended period.

First of all, there are no seals in the fuel tank, the seals are on the crankshaft. The fuel in the tank is not even near the seals.

Second, just do what I said yesterday. I've been doing this for 30 years, maybe I know what I'm talking about.

Finally, the 100 - 1 refers to the ratio of gas to oil, and has nothing to do with the amount of stabilizer in the oil. There could be quite a bit of stabilizer at that ratio.
 
I am not suggesting you do this but my sons GoPed 2-cycle had a 50:1 mix of 87 octane gas and Amsoil Sabre'

Thought it was empty but the mix was in the tank for 3+ years without StaBil.

It started in 3-4 pulls and ran great on the same 3+ old tankful..

I now use a little StaBil in the mix as that was a mistake.
 
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I could have sworn that the saber bottle makes the claim that it stabilizes the fuel...


True
 
Before it was Sabre, I used to run it at about 85-1 ratio. That is an option for those that are not hip on diviating from the 50-1 ratios. Richens it up a little bit.

I just leave the fuel in the equipment the way it sits. Of course I normally run fuel stabilizer all the time, never had a problem.

Store with empty tank or fill with stabilizer the jury is still out on what is best. I normally run the Amsoil stabilizer, seems to work just fine.
 
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