Something for just carbon build up?

[NattyBoh]

I've been reading thread after thread in this section looking for something that truely shines in the carbon removal section. I have a Honda CRF50 and the head has carbon on the valves. I just installed a new piston because the rings were gone. So I seen the head and figured I should run some cleaner in there.

I'm interested in Amsoil's PI and Redlines SI-1 as they have the more PEA in them. From what I gathered they have the most PEA available today. Do they clean up carbon good? If not what about MMO? I have access to the gallon sizes.

Any and all help is appreciated. Thanks!!

 

[ARCOgraphite]

I recently found a msds that shows MMO to have chlorinated compounds in it. This would make me stay away from this stuff, though it is a BITOG darling and just this comment will make waves. Did you remove the valves and clean them before reassembling the engine?

 

[NattyBoh]

Thanks for that tip.

Sadly no I did not clean them by hand. I did try to scrap them and it was kinda hard to come off, so I figured I'd leave it alone and forget about it. The bike ran fine before, but then I dwelled on it and thought " Man I should have did something ". Ya know, since it was already off and all.

Oh well, Would that Amsoil or Redline work in the gas? Or is the good old water trick the best?

 

[Cup of Joe]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
I recently found a msds that shows MMO to have chlorinated compounds in it. This would make me stay away from this stuff, though it is a BITOG darling and just this comment will make waves. Did you remove the valves and clean them before reassembling the engine?


I don't think that comment would make waves, its been brought up in the past. In the fuel I don't see it as a major problem and the percentage is very low if I remember correctly. Just don't mention it to those that use MMO in their oil.

Back on topic, what about Powerfoam or seafoam in conjuntion with a fuel treatment? Powerfoam is quite powerfull stuff and seafoam makes a wonderful cloud as the Pale oil burns off. I'd use Powerfoam for actual cleaning.

 

[hate2work]

Amsoil makes a great product called Power Foam. I've been using it for many years now, and it's the best de-carbonizer I've ever used, including the stuff from Stihl. Just shake the can, spray it where it gets on the piston dome and the valve heads/seats, and then wait about 20 minutes. Rinse and repeat if needed.

There aren't very many products that actually do what they say they will. This is one of them that does.

 

[NattyBoh]

I spray it in the sparkplug hole?

Ahh I have to remove the head right? If so i dont want to have to go through that again. It was a PITA. I have to drop the motor and get all new gaskets. If there isnt anything I can run in the can/thru the carb. I'll leave it as is. Its not a grocery getter or anything haha.

 

[NattyBoh]

/\ Just looked it up and it seems to be sprayed into the carb while the car is running. Do you think I'll be able to do this on such a small engine? Or just spray some in where the spark plug goes and go from there?

 

[Cup of Joe]

You can do both, on a small engine you just have to do it a bit slower and give the engine some throttle so it stays running. Then spray it and let it sit for 30 minutes or so.

 

[saberz]

*Put's on his anti-MMO suit
j/k


Anyway, MMO in the fuel is fine, I even add it to the oil like many others between 250-500 miles before an oil change. I've known people who use a full quart of it during full OCI's and they still have their cars/trucks.

The thing to remember is that the amount of the chloride in the vehicle is only a small percentage, less than 1-2%. Secondly they won't show you the full composition of the substance as many other manufacturers won't show you their recipes for "special" sauce. VOA's turn up nothing much like they do with AUTO-RX.

I've noticed my Xterra running better with it in the fuel than without and have been adding 5oz per tankful(any more an my MGPS goes down).

 

[NattyBoh]

Thanks guys. I'm going to head over to my amsoil dealer and see what they have/dont have. haha.

Anyone know the cheapest place to get powerfoam if I cant find it locally?

 

[bmod305]

Use SeaFoam(liquid) or Deep Creep(spray). Your local parts store should carry it. Many garages use at top engine cleaner to remove carbon.

Dave

 

[TallPaul]

Water injection. Get the engine good and hot with a 20+ mile run, park it, take off the air filter and tubing to expose throttle body. Now slowly pour water in while reving the thing at say 4000 rpm. Pour slowly so you don't flood it, hydrolocking a pistion and destroying the engine. As you do this for a pint or so of water over several minutes, the air around the vehicle should smell like spent fireworks. Now go out and give it a good Italian Tuneup.

 

[hate2work]

Originally Posted By: NattyBoh
I spray it in the sparkplug hole?

Ahh I have to remove the head right? If so i dont want to have to go through that again. It was a PITA. I have to drop the motor and get all new gaskets. If there isnt anything I can run in the can/thru the carb. I'll leave it as is. Its not a grocery getter or anything haha.


Yes, spray Power Foam right in the spark plug hole. Spray some in, turn the engine over slowly, then spray in some more and let it sit. No need to take off the head.

 

[ADFD1]

My dad has used PI, Power Foam, Red Line FI cleaner, to name a few, and tons of MMO. PI is an OK FI cleaner, the Red Line was better. Power Foam does a great job of attacking carbon, and fast too. MMO works well on carbon too only it takes a longer time.

I've found from being here on Bitog a while most of the negative comments about MMO come from people reading chemical analysis and not actually using the product. It is perfectly safe in gas and oil, if it wasn't my family would have littered junkyards with cars ruined by it over the decades we've used it. BTW no waves intended, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Hot water through a vacuum line works well too. Just make sure you put a needle for filling footballs on it to meter the flow, and use it carefully or you might lock up the engine.

 

[440Magnum]

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
I recently found a msds that shows MMO to have chlorinated compounds in it.


Table salt is a chlorinated compound. I don't understand all the panic over chlorine compounds. Yes, some of them do Very Bad Things (tm) to the environment when misused. But not all do, and many of them are highly beneficial and necessary.

 

[NattyBoh]

I found both products locally. I did the power foam just for a bit. problem is that the spark plug is DEEP in the head and the spray would get it all over the place.

I attempted to attach a spray straw from some lube I had to get the foam to not spray everywhere. It worked a little. But as soon as that powerfoam went in the engine and I had some come out... It was black. Thats a good thing to see, hopefully it worked on the carbon too. I'm going to redo it again as soon as I get another issue worked out.

I also found the PI additive, so I added around .5-.75 of an oz to the gas.

Thanks for your hastily help guys.

 

[ADFD1]

Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
I recently found a msds that shows MMO to have chlorinated compounds in it.


Table salt is a chlorinated compound. I don't understand all the panic over chlorine compounds. Yes, some of them do Very Bad Things (tm) to the environment when misused. But not all do, and many of them are highly beneficial and necessary.





Nice example, water can kill you too.

 

[NattyBoh]

That is true.

 

[hate2work]

Originally Posted By: NattyBoh
I found both products locally. I did the power foam just for a bit. problem is that the spark plug is DEEP in the head and the spray would get it all over the place.

I attempted to attach a spray straw from some lube I had to get the foam to not spray everywhere. It worked a little. But as soon as that powerfoam went in the engine and I had some come out... It was black. Thats a good thing to see, hopefully it worked on the carbon too. I'm going to redo it again as soon as I get another issue worked out.

I also found the PI additive, so I added around .5-.75 of an oz to the gas.

Thanks for your hastily help guys.


If you don't have a straw for the spray can, just use a plastic funnel with a long neck to direct in into the head.

 

[NattyBoh]

Originally Posted By: hate2work
Originally Posted By: NattyBoh
I found both products locally. I did the power foam just for a bit. problem is that the spark plug is DEEP in the head and the spray would get it all over the place.

I attempted to attach a spray straw from some lube I had to get the foam to not spray everywhere. It worked a little. But as soon as that powerfoam went in the engine and I had some come out... It was black. Thats a good thing to see, hopefully it worked on the carbon too. I'm going to redo it again as soon as I get another issue worked out.

I also found the PI additive, so I added around .5-.75 of an oz to the gas.

Thanks for your hastily help guys.


If you don't have a straw for the spray can, just use a plastic funnel with a long neck to direct in into the head.


ahh nice. Thanks