Sister wants an Audi q5

[Skippy722]

Originally Posted by edyvw

SHe wants Audi, not a better than average designed refrigerator.


Edyvw, I'm going to publish a book of quotes from you

 

[gofast182]

Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by gofast182
I wouldn't worry too much about maintenance and repairs. If this is the sandbox she wants to play in everything for every car will be a bit more. As someone else said the E888 has been refined over the years and should be a good engine by most accounts. And when I drive by my local Audi dealer the lot doesn't seem to be overflowing with Q5s awaiting service.

The only option in the luxury space that's really going to have reasonable and controlled repair and maintenance costs relative to the others is the new Acura RDX. And by almost all professional reviews/accounts its very good (I've actually driven one, it's very nice and it has the highest quality interior of any Acura to-date). I'll also so far as to challenge the assertion that Quattro is the best system going when the SH-AWD on the Acura has proven to be extremely capable and can provide even more advantage on dry pavement.

I've also seen several reviews that suggest the new/current X3 is the best all-arounder in the segment. I've also driven one of those and it's very nice. Maintenance is included for the first 3 years and BMW's B48 has also been refined to the point where it's a very good engine. And in this case you actually do get the magnificent ZF 8AT. My BMW ownership experience so far has been good.


Gotta throw the Volvo XC40 and CX5 GTR/SG and Alfa Stelvio into the mix, too, IMO

I do not think any of them belong in the mix. I was not trying to list everything in the class, I was trying to list the most practical choices with the best consensus of reviews.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Skippy722
Originally Posted by edyvw

SHe wants Audi, not a better than average designed refrigerator.


Edyvw, I'm going to publish a book of quotes from you

Now, let's wait for someone to throw in Hyundai Santa Fe Platinum.

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by gofast182
I wouldn't worry too much about maintenance and repairs. If this is the sandbox she wants to play in everything for every car will be a bit more. As someone else said the E888 has been refined over the years and should be a good engine by most accounts. And when I drive by my local Audi dealer the lot doesn't seem to be overflowing with Q5s awaiting service.

The only option in the luxury space that's really going to have reasonable and controlled repair and maintenance costs relative to the others is the new Acura RDX. And by almost all professional reviews/accounts its very good (I've actually driven one, it's very nice and it has the highest quality interior of any Acura to-date). I'll also so far as to challenge the assertion that Quattro is the best system going when the SH-AWD on the Acura has proven to be extremely capable and can provide even more advantage on dry pavement.

I've also seen several reviews that suggest the new/current X3 is the best all-arounder in the segment. I've also driven one of those and it's very nice. Maintenance is included for the first 3 years and BMW's B48 has also been refined to the point where it's a very good engine. And in this case you actually do get the magnificent ZF 8AT. My BMW ownership experience so far has been good.


Gotta throw the Volvo XC40 and CX5 GTR/SG and Alfa Stelvio into the mix, too, IMO

Those DEFINITELY do not belong in the league of Audi and especially Alfa Romeo. I was waiting a moment when Mazda CX-5 is going to find its way in this thread.
SHe wants Audi, not a better than average designed refrigerator.

The Alfa would stomp a mudhole in the Audi, and they're both iffy on reliability and so why not? The CX5 is like a Q5 on a budget. A tiny hair slower, and a digital dash and 1 class of materials away from it basically. Oh, and it wont break like the audi.

I guess the point is...she wants a Q5. She should get one. Either she will love it, or she will have a story to tell.

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Skippy722
Originally Posted by edyvw

SHe wants Audi, not a better than average designed refrigerator.


Edyvw, I'm going to publish a book of quotes from you

Now, let's wait for someone to throw in Hyundai Santa Fe Platinum.

Santa Fe platinum is lacking the performance of the others mentioned, all of which do 0-60 in the 5.9-6.2 second range. It's more in the class of the RAV4/CRV.

 

[Lolvoguy]

Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by gofast182
I wouldn't worry too much about maintenance and repairs. If this is the sandbox she wants to play in everything for every car will be a bit more. As someone else said the E888 has been refined over the years and should be a good engine by most accounts. And when I drive by my local Audi dealer the lot doesn't seem to be overflowing with Q5s awaiting service.

The only option in the luxury space that's really going to have reasonable and controlled repair and maintenance costs relative to the others is the new Acura RDX. And by almost all professional reviews/accounts its very good (I've actually driven one, it's very nice and it has the highest quality interior of any Acura to-date). I'll also so far as to challenge the assertion that Quattro is the best system going when the SH-AWD on the Acura has proven to be extremely capable and can provide even more advantage on dry pavement.

I've also seen several reviews that suggest the new/current X3 is the best all-arounder in the segment. I've also driven one of those and it's very nice. Maintenance is included for the first 3 years and BMW's B48 has also been refined to the point where it's a very good engine. And in this case you actually do get the magnificent ZF 8AT. My BMW ownership experience so far has been good.


Gotta throw the Volvo XC40 and CX5 GTR/SG and Alfa Stelvio into the mix, too, IMO


If the XC90 is any sort of indicator of the XC40 Volvo reliability indicator, judging from consumer reviews it should be quite an experience for those who purchase/lease one.
I find these reviews especially interesting since:
1) the current gen has been on sale since 2015 and STILL gets these reviews (so much for "first year teething" issues)
2) customers are still flocking to dealerships to own one

2018 XC90

 

[MCompact]

I'm no fan of modern Volvos-although my wife's 1991 740 Turbo was a hoot-and the brand's decision to kiss up to the Safety Nazis with their 112 mph speed limiter and other vehicular nanny intrusions has ensured that I'll never consider or recommend one.
Of course I'm probably 100 light-years away from their target demographic.

 

[Lolvoguy]

Originally Posted by MCompact
Of course I'm probably 100 light-years away from their target demographic.

You and me both!

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Ws6
Originally Posted by gofast182
I wouldn't worry too much about maintenance and repairs. If this is the sandbox she wants to play in everything for every car will be a bit more. As someone else said the E888 has been refined over the years and should be a good engine by most accounts. And when I drive by my local Audi dealer the lot doesn't seem to be overflowing with Q5s awaiting service.

The only option in the luxury space that's really going to have reasonable and controlled repair and maintenance costs relative to the others is the new Acura RDX. And by almost all professional reviews/accounts its very good (I've actually driven one, it's very nice and it has the highest quality interior of any Acura to-date). I'll also so far as to challenge the assertion that Quattro is the best system going when the SH-AWD on the Acura has proven to be extremely capable and can provide even more advantage on dry pavement.

I've also seen several reviews that suggest the new/current X3 is the best all-arounder in the segment. I've also driven one of those and it's very nice. Maintenance is included for the first 3 years and BMW's B48 has also been refined to the point where it's a very good engine. And in this case you actually do get the magnificent ZF 8AT. My BMW ownership experience so far has been good.


Gotta throw the Volvo XC40 and CX5 GTR/SG and Alfa Stelvio into the mix, too, IMO

Those DEFINITELY do not belong in the league of Audi and especially Alfa Romeo. I was waiting a moment when Mazda CX-5 is going to find its way in this thread.
SHe wants Audi, not a better than average designed refrigerator.

The Alfa would stomp a mudhole in the Audi, and they're both iffy on reliability and so why not? The CX5 is like a Q5 on a budget. A tiny hair slower, and a digital dash and 1 class of materials away from it basically. Oh, and it wont break like the audi.

I guess the point is...she wants a Q5. She should get one. Either she will love it, or she will have a story to tell.

I owned Mazda, I owned Alfa Romeo and I owned Audi. Alfa can be iffy, and Audi i better reliability wise than Mazda, especially one with turbo.
One thing is for sure, Mazda is NOT EVEN close in driving experience to those two. 0-60 does not mean anything. Mazda Miata is actually pretty slow to 60, but it is a hoot to drive. 0-60 is for those who never seen curve in their life.
I am not going to even mention Volvo and their ventures into unknown.

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by edyvw

I owned Mazda, I owned Alfa Romeo and I owned Audi. Alfa can be iffy, and Audi i better reliability wise than Mazda, especially one with turbo.
One thing is for sure, Mazda is NOT EVEN close in driving experience to those two. 0-60 does not mean anything. Mazda Miata is actually pretty slow to 60, but it is a hoot to drive. 0-60 is for those who never seen curve in their life.
I am not going to even mention Volvo and their ventures into unknown.

Rofl, I bet you can't find a single cx9 turbo or cx5 turbo using current technology (2016 year model or later)with engine or turbo issues in all the internet beyond maybe a boost leak or something.

That said, nothing competes with the Stelvio for driving experience in its class. The cx5 is pretty awesome as well, with many review mags and channels comparing it to a base Macan, praising its steering feel, chassis tuning, etc. I've not driven the Audi and don't know much about how they feel to drive, so can't say.

I haven't seen any reviews praising the Q5 for driving dynamics though. One said this though:
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The Q5 may not be a performance driving machine like the Porsche Macan, but its well-rounded nature, overall refinement, and upscale persona should continue to endear it to buyers.


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The Q5's suspension is well damped and imparts a stable feeling no matter the road or driving condition. The ride is smooth and controlled—with or without the optional adaptive suspension—even over pockmarked asphalt. The steering is accurate and lightly weighted but provides no discernible feedback from the front wheels. In the Dynamic drive mode, the steering feels heftier but still artificial. Pitch the Q5 down a twisty two-lane and it'll handle it with aplomb, but a Macan will still show you a better time.


https://www.caranddriver.com/audi/q5


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The Q5 feels refined to the point of flavorlessness. A large part of the problem is the steering system. This is the kind of steering that gives electrically assisted systems a bad name. It's accurate, and its 15.8:1 ratio is quick enough, but it is so utterly devoid of feel that not only is the "sporty characteristics of a sedan" descriptor revealed as bogus, even non-enthusiast drivers might be put off by the artificiality of the steering. It also makes the Q5 feel slightly unsettled on the expressway as its nose seems to drift to and fro with nary a murmur through the steering wheel.


https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15093815/2018-audi-q5-20t-quattro-test-review/

talk about a well made refrigerator. Jeez.

Meanwhile...

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Sure, its precise steering and composed cornering make for one helluva Sunday cruise. But it also soaks up rough roads without commotion and has the ride quality of crossovers that cost twice as much. This harmonious interplay of dynamics is unrivaled by its competitors. Pavement imperfections are isolated, road noise is minimal, and the damping is neither stiff nor floaty. At the same time, the Mazda comes alive on curvy roads. The electrically assisted steering provides satisfying responses and effectively connects the driver and the front wheels.

https://www.caranddriver.com/mazda/cx-5

 

[edyvw]

@WS6
Dude, people bet on a lot of stuff.
You have to realize you own car in class of RAV4 and Honda CR-V. No one buys Audi and thinking of Mazda. I drove Mazda CX-5 and CX-9. Are they good? Yes. How good? Better than Toyota. That is comparison. When magazines test Mazda they test it with RAV4 in mind when they make observation. When they test Audi, and talk about steering, they compare to BMW, Porsche etc. not Mazda.
I know it is a process, maybe someone can stage intervention, IDK.
Again, she wants Audi, not better than average refrigerator. When she buys a car for her teenage son or daughter, than recommend Mazda.
Every thread you show up in you bring your refrigerator into discussion.

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by edyvw
@WS6
Dude, people bet on a lot of stuff.
You have to realize you own car in class of RAV4 and Honda CR-V. No one buys Audi and thinking of Mazda. I drove Mazda CX-5 and CX-9. Are they good? Yes. How good? Better than Toyota. That is comparison. When magazines test Mazda they test it with RAV4 in mind when they make observation. When they test Audi, and talk about steering, they compare to BMW, Porsche etc. not Mazda.
I know it is a process, maybe someone can stage intervention, IDK.
Again, she wants Audi, not better than average refrigerator. When she buys a car for her teenage son or daughter, than recommend Mazda.
Every thread you show up in you bring your refrigerator into discussion.



When they test Audi Q5 steering, they say it's the kind of steering that makes even commuter drivers hate electronic assist steering, lol!

You're just not familiar with current trends and are out of touch with current offerings is all. Go drive one and learn a thing.

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This all adds up to a vehicle that can hardly even be considered in the same conversation as Toyotas and Hondas anymore. Frankly, the CX-5 Signature is nicer—to drive, to look at, and to sit in—than some similarly sized crossovers with full-on premium badges (we're looking at you, Cadillac XT4 and Acura RDX).

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a25693266/2019-mazda-cx-5-turbo-by-the-numbers/

Sometimes you get what you pay for. Sometimes you just pay more. Cars are a mix of that.

If she can and chooses to afford a $35K vehicle for her teener, then I will admit I'm jelly about their growing up experience!

PS. Plenty of people have traded X3's and the like for the GTR/SG trim CX5's and love it. [censored], there's even guys on the Macan forums asking about it, lol! I think you're stuck in 2015-2018.

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Mazda makes a fair claim that the CX-5 has "class above" technology more in line with what Audi, BMW, Lexus and Mercedes-Benz offer. "We know we're already better than [Honda] CR-Vs and such, so we benchmarked upscale," Mazda's chief engineer proclaims.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...cockpit-put-2017-mazda-cx-5-par-audi-bmw

^^^All of their above quibbles from 2017 were addressed in 2019.

http://bestride.com/reviews/new-car...nd-touring-best-in-class-but-which-class
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The 2018 Mazda CX-5 earns the IIHS Top Safety Pick Plus rating. That rating is higher than both the 2018 Lexus NX's and the 2018 Audi Q5's. What we like most about the safety nannies on the CX-5 is that they are unintrusive. We didn't experience any false positives and the lane keeping assist is smooth and helpful, not jarring and annoying.


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It would be easy to envision a head to head comparison of the Mazda CX-5 Signature to the Lexus NX 300 and Acura RDX. We feel that many shoppers might well choose the CX-5 in such a matchup.



NOONE is comparing a CX5 GTR/Signature to a RAV4 or CRV. First, they have 50hp less, second, they lack the features and refinement. Not the same class of vehicle except in size. Just like noone compares an SRT8 Charger to a base mustang.

 

[edyvw]

Again, intervention. From everything I see, you are seriously bothered by that MB GLC 43AMG.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted by Ws6
When they test Audi Q5 steering, they say it's the kind of steering that makes even commuter drivers hate electronic assist steering, lol!

You're just not familiar with current trends and are out of touch with current offerings is all. Go drive one and learn a thing.
Instead of parroting the mags, maybe you should heed your own advice and go drive one.

When in sport mode, the steering in our Q5 is firm, precise, and predictable. Driving it, it feels like it's on rails, with no wandering or dead center spot, very similar to my old B5 A4, and actually better than my 530i.

Maybe those "commuter drivers" mentioned above just don't appreciate proper responsive and communicative steering?

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Again, intervention. From everything I see, you are seriously bothered by that MB GLC 43AMG.

Yeah, it's in another class. Similar interior/featuers, but next-level engine and transmission. It would slot with the SQ5 or the X3M40i. Neither of which overlap with the CX5 of any trim level except for size or maybe road noise or something. Totally different class.

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by Quattro Pete
Originally Posted by Ws6
When they test Audi Q5 steering, they say it's the kind of steering that makes even commuter drivers hate electronic assist steering, lol!

You're just not familiar with current trends and are out of touch with current offerings is all. Go drive one and learn a thing.
Instead of parroting the mags, maybe you should heed your own advice and go drive one.

When in sport mode, the steering in our Q5 is firm, precise, and predictable. Driving it, it feels like it's on rails, with no wandering or dead center spot, very similar to my old B5 A4, and actually better than my 530i.

Maybe those "commuter drivers" mentioned above just don't appreciate proper responsive and communicative steering?


When one of you drives a CX5 GT-R/SG, I'll go drive a Q5. It's funny you say that, when literally EVERY review EVER of the Q5 says it's "not sporty" "has numb and completely divorced steering", etc....maybe YOU have never felt communicative steering?

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by Quattro Pete
Originally Posted by Ws6
When they test Audi Q5 steering, they say it's the kind of steering that makes even commuter drivers hate electronic assist steering, lol!

You're just not familiar with current trends and are out of touch with current offerings is all. Go drive one and learn a thing.
Instead of parroting the mags, maybe you should heed your own advice and go drive one.

When in sport mode, the steering in our Q5 is firm, precise, and predictable. Driving it, it feels like it's on rails, with no wandering or dead center spot, very similar to my old B5 A4, and actually better than my 530i.

Maybe those "commuter drivers" mentioned above just don't appreciate proper responsive and communicative steering?


Our friend still does not understand that there is a huge difference between longitudinal engine vehicles and transverse ones, especially ones where 60% of weight is in front. Even if steering is on par with Audi, which is not.

 

[Ws6]

Meh. OP:

Let us know what sis buys, what she tried, and how she likes it.

Aside from being more of a driver's CUV and having more refinement on the highway, the CX5 GTR is made in Japan, not Mexico, and that was a selling point for ME. At least I won't find the spare crammed full of meth.

Regardless of where the Q5 holds its weight...it's not perfect:

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On twisting roads, despite active torque distribution, we found the Q5 tended to understeer too soon when pushed too close to the 0.79g lateral acceleration limit even in Dynamic mode. Odd.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/audi/q5/2018/2018-audi-q5-20-first-test-review/

 

[edyvw]

She should consider Mercedes GLC 300. Better car than Audi Q5 or especially Mazda CX-5.

 

[Ws6]

Originally Posted by edyvw
She should consider Mercedes GLC 300. Better car than Audi Q5 or especially Mazda CX-5.

lol, the AMG is, the base GLC? I'd prefer my Mazda until the improve some things on the MB.

-Stiffen the chassis up
-Improve the handling during accident avoidance "moose test"
-Make it so it can take 87 octane just fine (sometimes on road trips, that's what you got...)
-Why is service so [censored] expensive?
-I'd miss NAV HUD

Fix those things, and the GLC is a contender.


Really though, this thread has reaffirmed that I made a good choice, because you all got me to look into those vehicles and their dB at cruise, handling, etc. I'm not really concerned with what others buy, as much as enjoying the intellectual aspect of the conversation. I don't own stock in any of 'em, and your choices don't affect me, but seriously, it's been interesting to look into other CUV's/data/etc. and I may go drive the Q5. Already experience with the GLC43 AMG, and without its engine, its not really something I'd care to own instead (less refined). Friend of my loves his Q7 and encouraged me to look at the 5, so may well check it out!

One wild thing that stood out in all of this: THERE ARE NO STATS! for the base Macan! No instrumented tests. nada. Everyone is testing the "S" and "GTS". I had to rely on YouTube to even see one do a 0-60.

vs. my CX5


Kindof shocked, actually, that my Mazda is faster, and holy buckets look at that turbo lag on the Macan!