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What used to be FF with Chrysler? After owning my Jeep and my moms Stratus Chrysler has grown on me. Their stuff isn't as bad as people say they are or at least it seems to me. Chrysler doesn't like to do warranty work at all. My mom bought her Stratus used last year and the dealershit gave us a 3 year warranty on it. The window motor was starting to go on it so we took it in. They said they couldn't find a problem with it when it was stuck shut; they lubed the tracks and sent us on our way no charge. Now the window stopped working all together a week later and it was 1/3 down and 22 degrees outside. Managed to get the window up, called the dealershit and now we have to pay $100 to get it fixed. I was a little hot about it but I guess it's better than paying $500+.
Originally Posted By: sparkplug
What used to be FF with Chrysler?
Mobil
What used to be FF with Chrysler?
Mobil
I have some more interesting information from the internet.
Evergreen Oil Company, Inc. is a re-refiner that has re-refined oil basestocks that meet API SL/ILSAC GF-4 ratings. Infineum, jointly owned by Shell and Exxon Mobil, has provided laboratory oversight to insure that the basestocks meet those specifications, consistently, before the companies use their "secret" additives for their specific applications.
Evergreen has Grp II basestocks. In my opinion, if Shell has the contract with Chrysler, then re-refined oil may be used as factory fill as the State of California website stated.
Since Mobil had the contract prior to Shell, then just maybe re-refined oil was used as factory fill, except for the Dodge Viper, which had the Mobil 1 factory fill, there may be other models that use Mobil 1 as factory fill. At this time, I do not know of any other Chrysler products that used Mobil 1 as factory fill.
Also, those oil companies may have additives that can "boost" the basestocks to meet current API standards of SM.
Yes, there will always be those who may criticize this posting, but do some research, when you have time, and check it out.
Evergreen Oil Company, Inc. is a re-refiner that has re-refined oil basestocks that meet API SL/ILSAC GF-4 ratings. Infineum, jointly owned by Shell and Exxon Mobil, has provided laboratory oversight to insure that the basestocks meet those specifications, consistently, before the companies use their "secret" additives for their specific applications.
Evergreen has Grp II basestocks. In my opinion, if Shell has the contract with Chrysler, then re-refined oil may be used as factory fill as the State of California website stated.
Since Mobil had the contract prior to Shell, then just maybe re-refined oil was used as factory fill, except for the Dodge Viper, which had the Mobil 1 factory fill, there may be other models that use Mobil 1 as factory fill. At this time, I do not know of any other Chrysler products that used Mobil 1 as factory fill.
Also, those oil companies may have additives that can "boost" the basestocks to meet current API standards of SM.
Yes, there will always be those who may criticize this posting, but do some research, when you have time, and check it out.
Originally Posted By: Mustang2008Z
I have some more interesting information from the internet.
We have the word from Johnny, a well-respected board member who has ties to SOPUS, and you keep arguing with him using "interesting information from the internet". Way to gain credibility.
I have some more interesting information from the internet.
We have the word from Johnny, a well-respected board member who has ties to SOPUS, and you keep arguing with him using "interesting information from the internet". Way to gain credibility.
zrkawboy...this was posted by Johnny/Pennzoil....Which proves my points...Backed up by facts:
March 19, 2008
Who Is Eyeing Infineum?
By George Gill
ExxonMobil Chemical and Shell Chemicals Ltd. last week announced they have agreed to evaluate market interest and discuss the possible sale of Infineum International Ltd., their additives joint venture started in 1999, with several potential buyers as part of a strategic study.
The two companies, divisions of Exxon Mobil Corp. and Royal Dutch Shell PLC respectively, said the study is part of an ongoing assessment of the Infineum business and opportunities for growth, restructuring or divestment depending upon fit with business objectives.
JP Morgan has been retained to assist with the study. “No divestment decision has been made, and there is no specific timetable related to the strategic study,” the companies said. “During the review process, the shareholders remain committed to supporting Infineum’s strategic and operational goals and its ongoing financial progress.”
An Infineum spokesman referred inquiries to the joint venture’s shareholders. An ExxonMobil Chemical spokeswoman and Shell’s press officer each told Lube Report they could not comment beyond the information in the March 10 announcement.
U.S. and EU antitrust regulators would probably want to have a fairly close look at any potential purchase of Infineum by one of the other three major additive manufacturers, R. David Whitby, chief executive of Woking, U.K., consultancy Pathmaster Marketing Ltd., told Lube Report.
Formed in January 1999, Infineum is a fifty-fifty joint venture between ExxonMobil and Shell that brought together their respective additives divisions – Paramins and Shell Additives. The joint venture started with 2,000 employees. Infineum is headquartered in Milton Hill, U.K., and has regional business and technology centers in Linden, N.J., the United Kingdom and Singapore.
In a December 2004 press release, Infineum referred to itself as a $1.5 billion company. ExxonMobil and Shell do not issue separate earnings reports for the joint venture.
Infineum is a developer, manufacturer and marketer of lubricant additives used primarily in automotive, heavy-duty diesel and marine engines, along with additives for fuels and refineries. Its customers are oil companies and other lubricant and fuel marketers worldwide. The product line also includes specialty lubricant additives for two-stroke engines, automotive transmission fluids, gear and industrial oils.
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Mustang 2008Z Comment:
I have always backed up my opinions with facts...He just proved my point that Infineum is owned by Shell/Exxon Mobil, and Infineum was the one supervising Evergreen the oil re-refiner.
He just proved me correct.............Please know that I am not trying to argue any point, just stating the facts.....I just want to inform and have people learn more about the subject. That is my objective....Thank you...
March 19, 2008
Who Is Eyeing Infineum?
By George Gill
ExxonMobil Chemical and Shell Chemicals Ltd. last week announced they have agreed to evaluate market interest and discuss the possible sale of Infineum International Ltd., their additives joint venture started in 1999, with several potential buyers as part of a strategic study.
The two companies, divisions of Exxon Mobil Corp. and Royal Dutch Shell PLC respectively, said the study is part of an ongoing assessment of the Infineum business and opportunities for growth, restructuring or divestment depending upon fit with business objectives.
JP Morgan has been retained to assist with the study. “No divestment decision has been made, and there is no specific timetable related to the strategic study,” the companies said. “During the review process, the shareholders remain committed to supporting Infineum’s strategic and operational goals and its ongoing financial progress.”
An Infineum spokesman referred inquiries to the joint venture’s shareholders. An ExxonMobil Chemical spokeswoman and Shell’s press officer each told Lube Report they could not comment beyond the information in the March 10 announcement.
U.S. and EU antitrust regulators would probably want to have a fairly close look at any potential purchase of Infineum by one of the other three major additive manufacturers, R. David Whitby, chief executive of Woking, U.K., consultancy Pathmaster Marketing Ltd., told Lube Report.
Formed in January 1999, Infineum is a fifty-fifty joint venture between ExxonMobil and Shell that brought together their respective additives divisions – Paramins and Shell Additives. The joint venture started with 2,000 employees. Infineum is headquartered in Milton Hill, U.K., and has regional business and technology centers in Linden, N.J., the United Kingdom and Singapore.
In a December 2004 press release, Infineum referred to itself as a $1.5 billion company. ExxonMobil and Shell do not issue separate earnings reports for the joint venture.
Infineum is a developer, manufacturer and marketer of lubricant additives used primarily in automotive, heavy-duty diesel and marine engines, along with additives for fuels and refineries. Its customers are oil companies and other lubricant and fuel marketers worldwide. The product line also includes specialty lubricant additives for two-stroke engines, automotive transmission fluids, gear and industrial oils.
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No signature required, my hand shake is good enough.
Mustang 2008Z Comment:
I have always backed up my opinions with facts...He just proved my point that Infineum is owned by Shell/Exxon Mobil, and Infineum was the one supervising Evergreen the oil re-refiner.
He just proved me correct.............Please know that I am not trying to argue any point, just stating the facts.....I just want to inform and have people learn more about the subject. That is my objective....Thank you...
Credibility? Yes, I have credibility....I back it up with facts that people can check up on......I want people to learn, so that they can know all of the facts...Then they can decide to say that what I said was fallacious or not.....
I have family in the oil business as well, but I do not use their expertise related to Exxon, Mobil, or Shell to prove my points......
I have family in the oil business as well, but I do not use their expertise related to Exxon, Mobil, or Shell to prove my points......
I want people to learn, think, and decide for themselves....
Mustang2008Z,
Yes, Infineum worked with Evergreen, why wouldn't they. There in the business to sell additives. Just because they worked with them does not mean Chrysler, Ford, or GM is putting re-refined oils in new cars. I stand by my statement a few post back, in that Shell has a contract with Chrysler, XOM has a contract with GM, and ConocoPhillips has a contract with Ford, and none of them make or sell re-refined oil to the car manufactures. Do the Big 3 use re-refined products, yes they do, in the manufacturing process.
Yes, Infineum worked with Evergreen, why wouldn't they. There in the business to sell additives. Just because they worked with them does not mean Chrysler, Ford, or GM is putting re-refined oils in new cars. I stand by my statement a few post back, in that Shell has a contract with Chrysler, XOM has a contract with GM, and ConocoPhillips has a contract with Ford, and none of them make or sell re-refined oil to the car manufactures. Do the Big 3 use re-refined products, yes they do, in the manufacturing process.
Evergreen Oil, Inc. operates the only fully licensed Part "B" Re-Refinery in the Western United States dedicated to the production of virgin-like quality lube base oils, from used lube oil. Our facility in Newark, California produces top quality neutral base lube stocks, with exceptional color and stability.
Evergreen's base oils have passed the laboratory and engine tested required to meet PCMO Group II / GF-IV standards, and are utilized by well-respected major oil producers as well as other independent lubricant blenders. Evergreen Oil Products include:
Group II Re-Refined Base Oils:
Light neutral base oil – 110 NEUTRAL
Mid-range neutral base oil – 250 NEUTRAL
Additional Products:
Asphalt Flux
Light end distillates – Gas Oil/Recycled Fuel Oil
To ensure safety throughout processing, technicians monitor the flow of oil at every step. If incoming feedstock is found to contain non-lubricant contaminants, such as highly chlorinated solvents, it is excluded from the processing stream and transported to other permitted hazardous waste facilities for proper disposal. More than 75% of the lubricating oil content of used lube oil is recycled as premium base stock. Base stocks are free from potentially hazardous contaminants, such as chlorine and harmful aromatics.
Evergreen's base oils have passed the laboratory and engine tested required to meet PCMO Group II / GF-IV standards, and are utilized by well-respected major oil producers as well as other independent lubricant blenders. Evergreen Oil Products include:
Group II Re-Refined Base Oils:
Light neutral base oil – 110 NEUTRAL
Mid-range neutral base oil – 250 NEUTRAL
Additional Products:
Asphalt Flux
Light end distillates – Gas Oil/Recycled Fuel Oil
To ensure safety throughout processing, technicians monitor the flow of oil at every step. If incoming feedstock is found to contain non-lubricant contaminants, such as highly chlorinated solvents, it is excluded from the processing stream and transported to other permitted hazardous waste facilities for proper disposal. More than 75% of the lubricating oil content of used lube oil is recycled as premium base stock. Base stocks are free from potentially hazardous contaminants, such as chlorine and harmful aromatics.
Evergreen Base Oils are re-refined hydro-treated neutral oils whose typical properties are comparable to virgin base oils.
Features
Re-refined from consistent supply of paraffinic used engine oils.
Hydrogen treatment over catalyst at severe pressure and temperature, gives good stability, light color, low sulphur, high VI and saturates that meet Group II specifications.
In 2004 Evergreen Group II base oils were engine tested by Infineum. The Matrix Core program, for API CI-4/SL/CF performance level was conducted in SAE 15W-40 and 10W-30 viscosity grades, and for API SL/CF/CF-2 in the SAE 30 viscosity grade in appropriate Group I and Group II base stocks. A Base Oil Interchange Program was then conducted in Evergreen Group II base stocks in SAE 15W-40, and 10W-30 viscosity grades for API CI-4/SL/CF performance level and SAE 30 viscosity grade, for API SL/CF/CF-2 performance level.
For all the tests covered by the Codes of Practice of the American Chemistry Council (ACC) and/or the Additive Technical Committee (ATC), the ACC/ATC tests protocols were observed.
Infineum D3422 is the baseline additive package. In the Matrix Core program, its performance is demonstrated at 14.1 mass % for SAE 15W-40, 10W-30, SAE 30, and all other viscosity grades.
Evergreen re-refined base lubricating oils also passed the laboratory and engine testing required for PCMO ILSAC/API GF IV.
Features
Re-refined from consistent supply of paraffinic used engine oils.
Hydrogen treatment over catalyst at severe pressure and temperature, gives good stability, light color, low sulphur, high VI and saturates that meet Group II specifications.
In 2004 Evergreen Group II base oils were engine tested by Infineum. The Matrix Core program, for API CI-4/SL/CF performance level was conducted in SAE 15W-40 and 10W-30 viscosity grades, and for API SL/CF/CF-2 in the SAE 30 viscosity grade in appropriate Group I and Group II base stocks. A Base Oil Interchange Program was then conducted in Evergreen Group II base stocks in SAE 15W-40, and 10W-30 viscosity grades for API CI-4/SL/CF performance level and SAE 30 viscosity grade, for API SL/CF/CF-2 performance level.
For all the tests covered by the Codes of Practice of the American Chemistry Council (ACC) and/or the Additive Technical Committee (ATC), the ACC/ATC tests protocols were observed.
Infineum D3422 is the baseline additive package. In the Matrix Core program, its performance is demonstrated at 14.1 mass % for SAE 15W-40, 10W-30, SAE 30, and all other viscosity grades.
Evergreen re-refined base lubricating oils also passed the laboratory and engine testing required for PCMO ILSAC/API GF IV.
My previous 2 posts were taken directly from the Evergreen Oil Company's Website.
They were monitored by 2 different labs, and meet ILSAC GF-4 Ratings, and sell their basestocks to many different well-known companies who add their special packages, additives, to pass API Certification.
With this posting, I shall end my participation on this forum. I hope that the audience that reads the posts will explore the internets' websites I have cited and after reading the information can then come to an intelligent conclusion.
Since I have been retired since January, 2001,before the age of 50 years old, it is time for me to return to the university level to pursue my Master's in Chemical Engineering or Chemistry so that I can continue lifelong learning everyday. I will concentrate on the oil business, then I might become an authority on the oil business.
Knowledge is Power, a closed mind is a terrible waste of that mind. Good Luck to all......May God Bless all of you.........
They were monitored by 2 different labs, and meet ILSAC GF-4 Ratings, and sell their basestocks to many different well-known companies who add their special packages, additives, to pass API Certification.
With this posting, I shall end my participation on this forum. I hope that the audience that reads the posts will explore the internets' websites I have cited and after reading the information can then come to an intelligent conclusion.
Since I have been retired since January, 2001,before the age of 50 years old, it is time for me to return to the university level to pursue my Master's in Chemical Engineering or Chemistry so that I can continue lifelong learning everyday. I will concentrate on the oil business, then I might become an authority on the oil business.
Knowledge is Power, a closed mind is a terrible waste of that mind. Good Luck to all......May God Bless all of you.........
Mustang,
Please don't leave the forum on account of disagreements. I happen to agree with everything you have posted except when it comes to factory fill oil in the Big-3 as stated in my post, 5 post above this one.
I commend you for going back to college to further your education.
May God bless you too........
Please don't leave the forum on account of disagreements. I happen to agree with everything you have posted except when it comes to factory fill oil in the Big-3 as stated in my post, 5 post above this one.
I commend you for going back to college to further your education.
May God bless you too........
Good Info Mustang. I have covered the fact that Rerefined oil is a quality product myself. The fact is that it is more expensive to produce than virgin basestocks and for that reason alone it is unlikely factory fill. Goverment agencies and companies wanting to show a commitment to renewable resources use it all up and it is hard to find at the consumer level.
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Mustang,
Please don't leave the forum on account of disagreements. I happen to agree with everything you have posted except when it comes to factory fill oil in the Big-3 as stated in my post, 5 post above this one.
Yeah, well he's totally out to lunch on Chrysler engines not being well engineered.
Virtually all new designs have teething problems. I happen to think the OHC Ford v8 is one of the best powerplants to ever come out of Detroit, but I don't go around saying Ford engines are not well engineered because of the problems those v8s had when they first came out.
The 3.2/3.5 SOHC Chrysler engine has been bulletproof from day one. No issues of any kind that I've ever heard of. I've personally seen one in a 99 300M with almost 400,000 miles on it and the only thing ever done to it was routine maintenance.
Mustang,
Please don't leave the forum on account of disagreements. I happen to agree with everything you have posted except when it comes to factory fill oil in the Big-3 as stated in my post, 5 post above this one.
Yeah, well he's totally out to lunch on Chrysler engines not being well engineered.
Virtually all new designs have teething problems. I happen to think the OHC Ford v8 is one of the best powerplants to ever come out of Detroit, but I don't go around saying Ford engines are not well engineered because of the problems those v8s had when they first came out.
The 3.2/3.5 SOHC Chrysler engine has been bulletproof from day one. No issues of any kind that I've ever heard of. I've personally seen one in a 99 300M with almost 400,000 miles on it and the only thing ever done to it was routine maintenance.
Originally Posted By: sparkplug
What used to be FF with Chrysler? After owning my Jeep and my moms Stratus Chrysler has grown on me. Their stuff isn't as bad as people say they are or at least it seems to me. Chrysler doesn't like to do warranty work at all. My mom bought her Stratus used last year and the dealershit gave us a 3 year warranty on it. The window motor was starting to go on it so we took it in. They said they couldn't find a problem with it when it was stuck shut; they lubed the tracks and sent us on our way no charge. Now the window stopped working all together a week later and it was 1/3 down and 22 degrees outside. Managed to get the window up, called the dealershit and now we have to pay $100 to get it fixed. I was a little hot about it but I guess it's better than paying $500+.
It's a deductible and very much standard on used car warranties. Check out any used car warranty offered from a 3rd party warranty company or manufacturer with a "certified used" program and most, if not all of them will have a deductible for a warranty repair.
What used to be FF with Chrysler? After owning my Jeep and my moms Stratus Chrysler has grown on me. Their stuff isn't as bad as people say they are or at least it seems to me. Chrysler doesn't like to do warranty work at all. My mom bought her Stratus used last year and the dealershit gave us a 3 year warranty on it. The window motor was starting to go on it so we took it in. They said they couldn't find a problem with it when it was stuck shut; they lubed the tracks and sent us on our way no charge. Now the window stopped working all together a week later and it was 1/3 down and 22 degrees outside. Managed to get the window up, called the dealershit and now we have to pay $100 to get it fixed. I was a little hot about it but I guess it's better than paying $500+.
It's a deductible and very much standard on used car warranties. Check out any used car warranty offered from a 3rd party warranty company or manufacturer with a "certified used" program and most, if not all of them will have a deductible for a warranty repair.
Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Mustang,
Please don't leave the forum on account of disagreements. I happen to agree with everything you have posted except when it comes to factory fill oil in the Big-3 as stated in my post, 5 post above this one.
Yeah, well he's totally out to lunch on Chrysler engines not being well engineered.
Virtually all new designs have teething problems. I happen to think the OHC Ford v8 is one of the best powerplants to ever come out of Detroit, but I don't go around saying Ford engines are not well engineered because of the problems those v8s had when they first came out.
The 3.2/3.5 SOHC Chrysler engine has been bulletproof from day one. No issues of any kind that I've ever heard of. I've personally seen one in a 99 300M with almost 400,000 miles on it and the only thing ever done to it was routine maintenance.
No kidding. The 3.2/3.5 and the 3.3/3.8 twins in the minivans are some of the longest lived and most reliable engines in the industry, bar none. The 2.2/2.5 four bangers were terrific engines for their day as well. And the new Phoenix engines seem to have a lot of promise with the technology on the horizon for them- http://www.allpar.com/mopar/phoenix-engines.html
Seems to me like he just has an axe to grind against Chrysler. Now if he'd said something about transmissions....
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Mustang,
Please don't leave the forum on account of disagreements. I happen to agree with everything you have posted except when it comes to factory fill oil in the Big-3 as stated in my post, 5 post above this one.
Yeah, well he's totally out to lunch on Chrysler engines not being well engineered.
Virtually all new designs have teething problems. I happen to think the OHC Ford v8 is one of the best powerplants to ever come out of Detroit, but I don't go around saying Ford engines are not well engineered because of the problems those v8s had when they first came out.
The 3.2/3.5 SOHC Chrysler engine has been bulletproof from day one. No issues of any kind that I've ever heard of. I've personally seen one in a 99 300M with almost 400,000 miles on it and the only thing ever done to it was routine maintenance.
No kidding. The 3.2/3.5 and the 3.3/3.8 twins in the minivans are some of the longest lived and most reliable engines in the industry, bar none. The 2.2/2.5 four bangers were terrific engines for their day as well. And the new Phoenix engines seem to have a lot of promise with the technology on the horizon for them- http://www.allpar.com/mopar/phoenix-engines.html
Seems to me like he just has an axe to grind against Chrysler. Now if he'd said something about transmissions....
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Originally Posted By: jazztrumpet216
No kidding. The 3.2/3.5 and the 3.3/3.8 twins in the minivans are some of the longest lived and most reliable engines in the industry, bar none. The 2.2/2.5 four bangers were terrific engines for their day as well. And the new Phoenix engines seem to have a lot of promise with the technology on the horizon for them- http://www.allpar.com/mopar/phoenix-engines.html
Seems to me like he just has an axe to grind against Chrysler. Now if he'd said something about transmissions....
I agree. Just keep in mind that while also bulletproof, the 3.3/3.8 engines are a totally different design (pushrods) and not twins with the 3.2/3.5.
Also, a lot of people mistakenly think the 3.2/3.5 is based on the SOHC engines used in the 1st generation LH. They aren't. They were a clean slate design from the oil pan up.
No kidding. The 3.2/3.5 and the 3.3/3.8 twins in the minivans are some of the longest lived and most reliable engines in the industry, bar none. The 2.2/2.5 four bangers were terrific engines for their day as well. And the new Phoenix engines seem to have a lot of promise with the technology on the horizon for them- http://www.allpar.com/mopar/phoenix-engines.html
Seems to me like he just has an axe to grind against Chrysler. Now if he'd said something about transmissions....
I agree. Just keep in mind that while also bulletproof, the 3.3/3.8 engines are a totally different design (pushrods) and not twins with the 3.2/3.5.
Also, a lot of people mistakenly think the 3.2/3.5 is based on the SOHC engines used in the 1st generation LH. They aren't. They were a clean slate design from the oil pan up.
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