Scientists Believe Your Cell Phone Is a Death Trap

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Originally Posted By: Shannow
So if they did away with the shielding, microwaves ovens wouldn't cause even the tiniest tissue damage ?

like the :blech: chicken being cooked in it ?


If they did away with the shielding, #1, it would cause major interference to other radio services.

#2, you'd feel the microwave radiation heating up your body just like that chicken.

#3, the microwave probably wouldn't work really well without the shielding.

The possibility of tissue damage (aside from that of the thermal effects of microwave radiation) did not enter in the equation when it was determined that shielding microwave ovens is a good idea.
 
So, let's talk science.

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A very large, 30-year study of just about everyone in Scandinavia shows no link between mobile phone use and brain tumours, researchers reported on Thursday.

Even though mobile telephone use soared in the 1990s and afterward, brain tumours did not become any more common during this time, the researchers reported in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.

"We did not detect any clear change in the long-term time trends in the incidence of brain tumours from 1998 to 2003 in any subgroup," Isabelle Deltour of the Danish Cancer Society and colleagues wrote.

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobil...91204-kaqs.html
 
Right. Not a death trap.
But certain frequencies and certain heads respond/resonate/whahtever. Maybe on a cellular level.
We keep it [calls]short and sweet.
 
Originally Posted By: brianl703
What a surprise. I think the biggest danger to using cellphones comes from two tons of steel.
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Originally Posted By: d00df00d
So, let's talk science.

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A very large, 30-year study of just about everyone in Scandinavia shows no link between mobile phone use and brain tumours, researchers reported on Thursday.

Even though mobile telephone use soared in the 1990s and afterward, brain tumours did not become any more common during this time, the researchers reported in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.

"We did not detect any clear change in the long-term time trends in the incidence of brain tumours from 1998 to 2003 in any subgroup," Isabelle Deltour of the Danish Cancer Society and colleagues wrote.

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobil...91204-kaqs.html



I can't take that link seriously. It merely says (effectively) that where they are detailed in brain tumor documentation ..that no substantial increase in incidents have occurred over the time that cell phones have been in existence. I didn't see anything that shows that cell phones were even in use to any significant degree among the documented population.

This appears to imply that the effects would be showing themselves over a 10-20 year period on a sliding upward curve of usage. Brain tumors are all over the place in terms of when they're going to occur ..though they probably occur in adults at middle age or older. The precursors would have been experienced over a sensibly long term assuming metastasis was the cause. The incidents would be somewhat based on the genetic propensity to develop cancer.

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Even though mobile telephone use soared in the 1990s and afterward, brain tumours did not become any more common during this time, the researchers reported in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.


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"We did not detect any clear change in the long-term time trends in the incidence of brain tumours from 1998 to 2003 in any subgroup," Isabelle Deltour of the Danish Cancer Society and colleagues wrote.


Wow! Rather comprehensive and broad span of evaluation.

So, the time period for the most rapid upswing in usage is used to evidence that it had no bearing on rates.

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Deltour's team analysed annual incidence rates of two types of brain tumour -- glioma and meningioma -- among adults aged 20 to 79 from Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden from 1974 to 2003.


Are these the ONLY types? Why not just say "ALL" brain tumors if it's indeed attempting to inspire confidence in the statistic ..or qualify why some types were excluded?

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It is possible, Deltour's team wrote, that it takes longer than 10 years for tumours caused by mobile phones to turn up, that the tumours are too rare in this group to show a useful trend, or that there are trends but in subgroups too small to be measured in the study.


Yeah ..this doesn't count ..so pay no attention to it.


I don't know one way or another ..again, I'm a walking risk factor so it's a moot point ..but this is not any confidence inspiring factoid. It's more of a comforting promotional item that is the inverted version of "90% of all wear occurs at startup!" ..the only difference is that the statistic in Castrol's case is to compel you to prevent something from happening with purchasing their product ..while this is attempting to compel you to continue using a product since nothing will occur.
 
The news media has been reporting the release of that study for several days. I was a bit surprised it was not posted up a few pages ago.

One would have to read the study, but I didn't find anything persuasive in the linked article.

In as much as the household, and body borne, UHF to gigahertz and above emitters have only become commonplace in the last seven or eight years, I think this caveat is especially well taken:

"Because of the high prevalence of mobile phone exposure in this population and worldwide, longer follow-up of time trends in brain tumour incidence rates are warranted," Deltour's team advised.

Brain tumors almost exclusively afflict children and older individuals. This passage from the linked article gave me some pause:

"Incidence of meningioma tumours rose by 0.8 per cent a year among men, and rose by 3.8 per cent a year among women starting in the mid-1990s. But this was mostly among women over the age of 60, who were already among those most likely to have brain tumours, they noted."

Their rationalization could be correct, but one cannot help but notice that is a staggering increase in tumors at the time when cell phone usage began in earnest, and women seem to be the heaviest users of cell phones.

The study might not be that difficult to take apart.
 
Gary, you happened to catch me at a good time for our onlookers: I really don't have the energy to debate you point-to-point. Essentially, what it comes down to is this:

That they are not saying there definitely is no link between brain tumors and cell phone use. They are simply saying they haven't found such a link in that population. Whatever the final picture is of whether or not there is a risk, this study will just be one piece of the puzzle.

It's like looking under a rock and saying, "nope, the gold isn't under there..." It doesn't preclude the possibility that you might find it elsewhere.

All those provisos at the end are just the scientists thinking out loud about possible factors that could undermine their conclusions. If sufficient evidence existed for them, they would have structured the research differently.
 
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Gary, you happened to catch me at a good time for our onlookers:


Were you performing?
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Gosh Almighty! I've got to meet some of you face to face for a beer (I'll take a diet coke). Not every post is ..

..oh ..never mind ..It's like being Serpico in that bathroom scene. Anything I say will just make me look more guilty.

I don't think I said anything other than rewording what the article asserted in implying safety based on the statistics
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I was just saying I wasn't going to dissect your post and try to debate you point-to-point, which probably would have bored some of the others reading the thread.
 
Originally Posted By: Lurch
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Originally Posted By: Lurch
Cell Phone = Death Trap


Are there really people that are dumb enough to believe anything that "Doctor" Mercola puts out or promotes?

The guy puts the quack in quackery. He's been cited by the FDA more than once because of his outlandish claims.

He's a profiteer and a snake oil salesman, nothing more. His only achievement has been to part fools from their money.


Personally, I think the real quacks are in the FDA, EPA, and other agencies funded and heavily influenced by multi billion dollar a year profit drug corporations. If you want to follow the FDA, more power to you.

Dr Mercola is IMHO a devoted health care professional and health researcher. Yes, he likes to sell things - but IMHO - he most often sells good things - not "snake oil". I don't buy things from him but if I had more money I would. If you don't want to believe in Mercola and his devotion to diet and health, again, more power to you.

"Snake oil" is what people often label healthy things that they're unwilling to change about their own life style.

The FDA and the MDs prefer you follow them - not Mercola - and run to them for lots of expensive Rx pills that cover up symptoms vs treat the CAUSE of the illness.
I agree totally here.
 
Yeah, the cartels aren't into putting themselves out of a job. A pound of cure is in the balance for using that oz of prevention. I think most of our issues are in the durability of the genes. So far they can't trump that, they can only treat the results of their role in the scheme of our health.
 
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