Scientists Believe Your Cell Phone Is a Death Trap
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Nah! I simply question his credibility on his postings for he's not a real MD but an OP(osteopathic physician), and with a rather lax'ed approach towards medicine and science, I seriously question him about his knowledge (in EMF? Good golly? Why am I doing all these work in RF area in my electronics discipline afterhours?)
Since he bears no credibility for cross-referencing to any recognised scientific boards/research groups and such, I offer him zero confidence and would not regard him based on his postings on his own website.
Afterall: he's doing this for-profit and has no backgrounds/research-quality proofs and disciplines that I can find on the internet.
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bottomline: virtually everybody else can call themselves something-something and post something on the internet to share these days but that doesn't instantly lends to credibility on the information posted thereof. Afterall: internet is not regulated and quacks and scam artists are all over the place.
Also: read my comments linked to my profile (internet is basically an echo chamber for conspiracy dittoheads...)
Since he bears no credibility for cross-referencing to any recognised scientific boards/research groups and such, I offer him zero confidence and would not regard him based on his postings on his own website.
Afterall: he's doing this for-profit and has no backgrounds/research-quality proofs and disciplines that I can find on the internet.
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bottomline: virtually everybody else can call themselves something-something and post something on the internet to share these days but that doesn't instantly lends to credibility on the information posted thereof. Afterall: internet is not regulated and quacks and scam artists are all over the place.
Also: read my comments linked to my profile (internet is basically an echo chamber for conspiracy dittoheads...)
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Better play it safe. Don't use the things like they're a Borg implant.
To further add my 2c's worth:
Virtually all electronic apparatus emit radio frequency one way or another (thus the FCC regulation codes on the back sticker of all electronics gears).
To say that cell phone is a death trap is like calling a bicyclist a potential traffic deathtrap or similar (possible, but with little common sense and supporting case to it).
If you seriously want to stay away from any forms of RFI/EMI pollution, you shall consider completely abandoning all electronic appliances, move to a lone island where there's no electricity/electrical gears of any kind and lead a simple, if not primitive way of living. Otherwise, you may never get away from EMI/RFI.
Borg implant is already in place on every one of us, so assimulation is part of the deal and resistance is futile *grin*
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Virtually all electronic apparatus emit radio frequency one way or another (thus the FCC regulation codes on the back sticker of all electronics gears).
To say that cell phone is a death trap is like calling a bicyclist a potential traffic deathtrap or similar (possible, but with little common sense and supporting case to it).
If you seriously want to stay away from any forms of RFI/EMI pollution, you shall consider completely abandoning all electronic appliances, move to a lone island where there's no electricity/electrical gears of any kind and lead a simple, if not primitive way of living. Otherwise, you may never get away from EMI/RFI.
Borg implant is already in place on every one of us, so assimulation is part of the deal and resistance is futile *grin*
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I wonder if this is the cause of my subconscience visceral reation to my phone. When it rings while I am driving I feel compelled to whip it out of the car window.
Well, I don't agree with Mercola on everything but I do agree with him in this article and many others. Personally I don't think he's a quack.
I had a cell phone once - only for emergencies and almost never used it. If I ever get another it will be for same - emergencies only to take on the road. I don't even use a cordless phone at home because I also think they are a health hazard and one I can do w/o. I have a corded one and I hope to keep it that way.
No microwave oven for me either. Microwaves are IMHO a dangerous convenience item that I can do without. I have a nice little convection oven that will do the job just as well if not better and may take a few minutes longer.
I had a cell phone once - only for emergencies and almost never used it. If I ever get another it will be for same - emergencies only to take on the road. I don't even use a cordless phone at home because I also think they are a health hazard and one I can do w/o. I have a corded one and I hope to keep it that way.
No microwave oven for me either. Microwaves are IMHO a dangerous convenience item that I can do without. I have a nice little convection oven that will do the job just as well if not better and may take a few minutes longer.
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To further add my 2c's worth:
Virtually all electronic apparatus emit radio frequency one way or another (thus the FCC regulation codes on the back sticker of all electronics gears).
To say that cell phone is a death trap is like calling a bicyclist a potential traffic deathtrap or similar (possible, but with little common sense and supporting case to it).
If you seriously want to stay away from any forms of RFI/EMI pollution, you shall consider completely abandoning all electronic appliances, move to a lone island where there's no electricity/electrical gears of any kind and lead a simple, if not primitive way of living. Otherwise, you may never get away from EMI/RFI.
Borg implant is already in place on every one of us, so assimulation is part of the deal and resistance is futile *grin*
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I don't agree. I have a TriField Meter that measures EMF and I found that most electrical items only emit EMF from close up. TVs emit a lot of EMF but as long as you don't sit closer than 4' or so away, you will not be absorbing it.
Cell phones are different because you hold them right to your head.
I also have an inexpensive outlet tester and have had outlets grounded that were not, that emitted a lot of EMF. I'm quite familiar with EMF and it's not hard to avoid it if you know how to identify it. You can live healthy with electricity. No need to live on an island.
To further add my 2c's worth:
Virtually all electronic apparatus emit radio frequency one way or another (thus the FCC regulation codes on the back sticker of all electronics gears).
To say that cell phone is a death trap is like calling a bicyclist a potential traffic deathtrap or similar (possible, but with little common sense and supporting case to it).
If you seriously want to stay away from any forms of RFI/EMI pollution, you shall consider completely abandoning all electronic appliances, move to a lone island where there's no electricity/electrical gears of any kind and lead a simple, if not primitive way of living. Otherwise, you may never get away from EMI/RFI.
Borg implant is already in place on every one of us, so assimulation is part of the deal and resistance is futile *grin*
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I don't agree. I have a TriField Meter that measures EMF and I found that most electrical items only emit EMF from close up. TVs emit a lot of EMF but as long as you don't sit closer than 4' or so away, you will not be absorbing it.
Cell phones are different because you hold them right to your head.
I also have an inexpensive outlet tester and have had outlets grounded that were not, that emitted a lot of EMF. I'm quite familiar with EMF and it's not hard to avoid it if you know how to identify it. You can live healthy with electricity. No need to live on an island.
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Originally Posted By: TaterandNoodles
I wonder if this is the cause of my subconscience visceral reation to my phone. When it rings while I am driving I feel compelled to whip it out of the car window.
It's a bio-intuitive visceral response. It's somewhat akin to morning sickness I'm told.
I wonder if this is the cause of my subconscience visceral reation to my phone. When it rings while I am driving I feel compelled to whip it out of the car window.
It's a bio-intuitive visceral response. It's somewhat akin to morning sickness I'm told.
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I take such results with a grain of salt. There are too many scientists that spew junk from their keyboard trying to get noticed in the academic community. After all, a scientist doesn't make a name for themselves by saying everything is all right and to continue what we're doing.
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I take such results with a grain of salt. There are too many scientists that spew junk from their keyboard trying to get noticed in the academic community. After all, a scientist doesn't make a name for themselves by saying everything is all right and to continue what we're doing.
Indeed.
Some people also have a fairly broad definition of "scientist", especially in reference to themselves or someone whose opinion they like...
I take such results with a grain of salt. There are too many scientists that spew junk from their keyboard trying to get noticed in the academic community. After all, a scientist doesn't make a name for themselves by saying everything is all right and to continue what we're doing.
Indeed.
Some people also have a fairly broad definition of "scientist", especially in reference to themselves or someone whose opinion they like...
There are too many scientists that spew junk from their keyboard trying to get noticed in the academic community.
There are several other scientists and health researchers that have spoken of the hazards of cell phones over the last several years. I never looked at any of them as "trying to get noticed". If you google cell phone hazards you'll come up with millions of articles on it. Personally, I'm not one to ignore so much evidence on cell phone hazards. I don't gamble with my health.
All I know is that personally I'll never get onto the cell phone bandwagon.
There are several other scientists and health researchers that have spoken of the hazards of cell phones over the last several years. I never looked at any of them as "trying to get noticed". If you google cell phone hazards you'll come up with millions of articles on it. Personally, I'm not one to ignore so much evidence on cell phone hazards. I don't gamble with my health.
All I know is that personally I'll never get onto the cell phone bandwagon.
Originally Posted By: Lurch
I have a TriField Meter that measures EMF and I found that most electrical items only emit EMF from close up. TVs emit a lot of EMF but as long as you don't sit closer than 4' or so away, you will not be absorbing it.
Ever heard of a detector van (only used in the UK, as far as I know)? A TV emits enough stuff that they can tell what you're watching from tens of feet away.
I have a TriField Meter that measures EMF and I found that most electrical items only emit EMF from close up. TVs emit a lot of EMF but as long as you don't sit closer than 4' or so away, you will not be absorbing it.
Ever heard of a detector van (only used in the UK, as far as I know)? A TV emits enough stuff that they can tell what you're watching from tens of feet away.
Originally Posted By: brianl703
Originally Posted By: Lurch
I have a TriField Meter that measures EMF and I found that most electrical items only emit EMF from close up. TVs emit a lot of EMF but as long as you don't sit closer than 4' or so away, you will not be absorbing it.
Ever heard of a detector van (only used in the UK, as far as I know)? A TV emits enough stuff that they can tell what you're watching from tens of feet away.
No, I don't think I've heard of those before.
I like to stay at least 6 feet away from my TV when I'm watching it, which is what I meant to say - not 4 feet. I'm sure it emits stuff but I don't really part with my TV.
Originally Posted By: Lurch
I have a TriField Meter that measures EMF and I found that most electrical items only emit EMF from close up. TVs emit a lot of EMF but as long as you don't sit closer than 4' or so away, you will not be absorbing it.
Ever heard of a detector van (only used in the UK, as far as I know)? A TV emits enough stuff that they can tell what you're watching from tens of feet away.
No, I don't think I've heard of those before.
I like to stay at least 6 feet away from my TV when I'm watching it, which is what I meant to say - not 4 feet. I'm sure it emits stuff but I don't really part with my TV.
The lady presenting the video (in link from OP) is Camilla Rees, but she's not a scientist. From her website:
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We represent citizens concerned about the proliferation of wireless technologies and their impact on health.
We represent citizens who want our government to set exposure standards for electromagnetic radiation that are biologically based, instead of being based on long since invalidated thermal standards.
http://electromagnetichealth.org/who-we-are/
That doesn't immediately discredit her, but I want a physicist presenting this info. She may be doing citizens a favour though by bringing this matter to attention. I don't know.
Quote:
We represent citizens concerned about the proliferation of wireless technologies and their impact on health.
We represent citizens who want our government to set exposure standards for electromagnetic radiation that are biologically based, instead of being based on long since invalidated thermal standards.
http://electromagnetichealth.org/who-we-are/
That doesn't immediately discredit her, but I want a physicist presenting this info. She may be doing citizens a favour though by bringing this matter to attention. I don't know.
Originally Posted By: Lurch
A TV emits enough stuff that they can tell what you're watching from tens of feet away.
Lurch - have you tested a the EMF from a CRT computer monitor? I recall ~31" as a safe distance, which is quite far IMO. But it's mostly moot now anyway considering CRT's are headed the way of donkey and cart.
A TV emits enough stuff that they can tell what you're watching from tens of feet away.
Lurch - have you tested a the EMF from a CRT computer monitor? I recall ~31" as a safe distance, which is quite far IMO. But it's mostly moot now anyway considering CRT's are headed the way of donkey and cart.
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You need a Health Physicist. They tend to have a symbiosis with the industries that produce things that have radiated emissions.
Originally Posted By: brianl703
Originally Posted By: Lurch
I have a TriField Meter that measures EMF and I found that most electrical items only emit EMF from close up. TVs emit a lot of EMF but as long as you don't sit closer than 4' or so away, you will not be absorbing it.
Ever heard of a detector van (only used in the UK, as far as I know)? A TV emits enough stuff that they can tell what you're watching from tens of feet away.
One of the frequencies generated in a TV is the tuner local oscillator, if you can pick it up then you know what channel is being viewed
Originally Posted By: Lurch
I have a TriField Meter that measures EMF and I found that most electrical items only emit EMF from close up. TVs emit a lot of EMF but as long as you don't sit closer than 4' or so away, you will not be absorbing it.
Ever heard of a detector van (only used in the UK, as far as I know)? A TV emits enough stuff that they can tell what you're watching from tens of feet away.
One of the frequencies generated in a TV is the tuner local oscillator, if you can pick it up then you know what channel is being viewed
I repaired televisions for 25 years and always had 4 or 5 test running on the bench beside me. None of that radiation bothered me in the least (eye twitch, tremor ... what were we talking about ??)
If there really were a health hazard from cell phones, microwaves, and other Gigahertz and lower radio emitters, then we wouldn't be seeing a few isolated cases, we'd be seeing a MASSIVE and rampant outbreak of problems.
Now it is true that all radio waves DO interact somewhat with living tissue, and the lower the frequency the less the interaction. Microwaves at high power levels will obviously cook meat, so you don't want to get a body part in a high-level microwave field. But UNLIKE ionizing radiation (X-rays, gamma rays), exposure to LOW LEVEL radio waves does not "accumulate" over time and cause damage equivalent to a shorter high-level dose. There's a threhold effect- if the level is low enough that it doesn't cause local heating of tissue, then no damage is done.
The guy has taken a real phenomenon and extrapolated it to the point of buffoonery.
Now it is true that all radio waves DO interact somewhat with living tissue, and the lower the frequency the less the interaction. Microwaves at high power levels will obviously cook meat, so you don't want to get a body part in a high-level microwave field. But UNLIKE ionizing radiation (X-rays, gamma rays), exposure to LOW LEVEL radio waves does not "accumulate" over time and cause damage equivalent to a shorter high-level dose. There's a threhold effect- if the level is low enough that it doesn't cause local heating of tissue, then no damage is done.
The guy has taken a real phenomenon and extrapolated it to the point of buffoonery.
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