School Me on Jeep Wrangler

[IndyFan]

I don't think you know enough people nor is BIOTG a big big enough sample size to say the some vehicle make owners overlook things while others not pick.

I do think general human nature is for people to complain less about things they like or love be it car or dog, maybe wife.

I liked my 2001 Jeep GC a decade ago that needed a new engine because of chunks of piston skirt broke off and jammed the crankshaft. I complained about it but still liked the vehicle.

I don't disagree entirely, but it is the sample I have. And it supports my experiences compared to their reviews.

I think you are right on with human nature.

But I've got almost 50 years of experience reading CR and other automotive media and they've been consistently biased, much moreso than any other. That's my take over a LONG haul. Last I read that rag, they were still that way. No different than when I started reading them at 11 or 12 years old in middle school.

 

[kballowe]

So, I've been hanging out on the Jeep forums as of late. There's a definite love-hate relationship,

Still learning.

Thanks for all of the responses.

 

[HoosierJeeper]

So, I've been hanging out on the Jeep forums as of late. There's a definite love-hate relationship,

Still learning.

Thanks for all of the responses.

Lifelong Jeep owner. They're a lot of fun. Definitely a lot more love than hate from me. All the issues are way overblown. Solid axles are fantastic off road, nothing can match it. Defenders come close though, that's the only other vehicle I'd get besides a Wrangler for a good on road/offroad rugged vehicle.

 

[jadmt]

Lifelong Jeep owner. They're a lot of fun. Definitely a lot more love than hate from me. All the issues are way overblown. Solid axles are fantastic off road, nothing can match it. Defenders come close though, that's the only other vehicle I'd get besides a Wrangler for a good on road/offroad rugged vehicle.

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a few years back did the dusy ershim and a land rover was being towed out due to two broken axles.a very well built toyota buggy on like 40's was pulling him out they said they had been 3 full days of pulling when we met them and they were getting close to being out...I have seen some nicely built new broncos lately but my buddy who is a ford tech said they take about $7500 in upgrades right out of the chute to make them up to doing hard core trails...I go to moab quite a bit (this year was 3x and going again in a week or so) and I have seen exactly one bronco on the tougher trails and that was on poison spider which is not all that tough. I have seen some good you tube videos tho so I know they can be doing crazy hard stuff...

 

[HoosierJeeper]

a few years back did the dusy ershim and a land rover was being towed out due to two broken axles.a very well built toyota buggy on like 40's was pulling him out they said they had been 3 full days of pulling when we met them and they were getting close to being out...I have seen some nicely built new broncos lately but my buddy who is a ford tech said they take about $7500 in upgrades right out of the chute to make them up to doing hard core trails...I go to moab quite a bit (this year was 3x and going again in a week or so) and I have seen exactly one bronco on the tougher trails and that was on poison spider which is not all that tough. I have seen some good you tube videos tho so I know they can be doing crazy hard stuff...

Right, the newer LRs won't do the hard core stuff but can do 80-90% of what the Wranglers will do stock, and with a lot more comfort. Can still do moderate trails (Hells, Top of the World etc) and drive there and back in comfort.
The broncos are the worst of both worlds, not as good off road as a wrangler and not as nice to drive as a Land Rover. Been to Moab a few times too, last time I was on Hells the only other vehicles I saw besides Jeeps were a group of newer stock Land Rovers. Anything can be built up tho, then it stops being what ever it was originally LOL.

 

[jadmt]

Right, the newer LRs won't do the hard core stuff but can do 80-90% of what the Wranglers will do stock, and with a lot more comfort. Can still do moderate trails (Hells, Top of the World etc) and drive there and back in comfort.
The broncos are the worst of both worlds, not as good off road as a wrangler and not as nice to drive as a Land Rover. Been to Moab a few times too, last time I was on Hells the only other vehicles I saw besides Jeeps were a group of newer stock Land Rovers. Anything can be built up tho, then it stops being what ever it was originally LOL.

I have seen a newer 2 wheel drive toyota tacoma do hell's revenge...it actually did the tip over challenge and almost tipped over..I was impressed with it..driver was a young kid by himself and asked if he could tag along..also saw a couple of ram pickups that were not built from Texas who had not issues..slick rock is pretty forgiving...two years ago there was a Tesla truck at the top of the world..dude was by himself...always surprises me what vehicles get where..We passed a subaru outback on Blackbear I assumed he made it down.....I do think my next vehicle will be a bronco tho just because I like how they look

 

[svtrit]

Right, the newer LRs won't do the hard core stuff but can do 80-90% of what the Wranglers will do stock, and with a lot more comfort. Can still do moderate trails (Hells, Top of the World etc) and drive there and back in comfort.
The broncos are the worst of both worlds, not as good off road as a wrangler and not as nice to drive as a Land Rover. Been to Moab a few times too, last time I was on Hells the only other vehicles I saw besides Jeeps were a group of newer stock Land Rovers. Anything can be built up tho, then it stops being what ever it was originally LOL.

It is beyond amazing what a stock Jeep will do. My old YJ had street tires on it and went places I would have never guess. No lockers either! Mud was it's only nemesis.

The JLU is by far more capable, and nearly as fun, but the old school, mountain goat, tractor esq feel of an old Jeep is hard to replace.

 

[HoosierJeeper]

It is beyond amazing what a stock Jeep will do. My old YJ had street tires on it and went places I would have never guess. No lockers either! Mud was it's only nemesis.

The JLU is by far more capable, and nearly as fun, but the old school, mountain goat, tractor esq feel of an old Jeep is hard to replace.

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Way cool! Love the YJs. Yeah, the JLs are so capable, and still have some of the old feel. IDK, the 80/90s Jeeps were just special.

 

[IndyFan]

It is beyond amazing what a stock Jeep will do. My old YJ had street tires on it and went places I would have never guess. No lockers either! Mud was it's only nemesis.

The JLU is by far more capable, and nearly as fun, but the old school, mountain goat, tractor esq feel of an old Jeep is hard to replace.

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LOVE the YJ!!!!

 

[MCompact]

It is beyond amazing what a stock Jeep will do. My old YJ had street tires on it and went places I would have never guess. No lockers either! Mud was it's only nemesis.

The JLU is by far more capable, and nearly as fun, but the old school, mountain goat, tractor esq feel of an old Jeep is hard to replace.

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I do miss my TJ and would have kept if our plan had not been to reduce the size of our fleet from five to three.