Rotella T4 15w40 + Lucas in a 93 Corvette Autocross Race Car

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How about lifters? Same opinion as for the bearings?

What is your go to oil weight for a SBC which would see some additional heat and load over a daily driven vehicle?

Lifters don't override the bearings. Everything else is built around the viscosity dictated by the bearings. If a lifter is going out, the solution is to replace the lifter(s). A higher viscosity oil may pump up a lifter a little at the expense of bearing heat and overpumping the rest of the lifters. It's not a solution, but rather like putting a bandaid over a compound fracture and hoping it just goes away.

This is a common conflict in aftermarket engines where builders want to default to wide bearing clearances (.003-.004"), needing a 50 grade oil, but want to use Morel or other low bleed, short travel lifters that are viscosity sensitive and will chatter with anything over ~15 cSt. Then they want to complain the lifters suck when it was their own stupid fault for not blueprinting everything before hand. /rant

I don't change viscosity/grade in hot climates. In my experience, the actual operating oil temp doesn't change enough to matter. For applications like my Tahoe, which sees towing duty ~80% of the time, is to just use a better quality oil of the same grade. Hence I use HPL HDMO 10W-30 in my Tahoe instead of going to a 40 grade. I know that oil won't shear and will give a long service life.
 
A stout xW-30 would be fine for street and Auto-X use. A stout xW-40 would be better for heavy track use than a xW-30.
 
Not sure. I’ve definitely used my share of Rotella T6 in the past. I moved to Delo XLE and Delvac ESP 5w40 mainly because I got them on clearance, about 25 gallons for about $80.

I know there’s plenty of people here that use the lower T# Rotellas in OPE and motorcycles. It’s still a fine oil for its intended purposes.
The only thing I can add is in a specific EJ253 application everyone would swoon over the use of T6. I did once and never understood the hype. The car was just a sluggish pig at temp. It's like you could almost feel it dragging itself along begrudgingly.

Switched back to a Xw30 and never looked back. Heck I even ran Mobil AFE0w30 for a bit and showed no wear increase and ran it like a scalded cat. I dunno 🤔

I will agree it seems like decent choice OPE to a point.
 
What was energy conserving I'm 1989 is quite different than today's 8/16/20 grades. 30 grade oil isn't some crazy think oh my God my engine will grenade grade.
That has nothing to do with this thread. Probably five different BITOG veterans have chimed in to say basically “30 weight is all that’s needed for this application”.

So I directly asked the leader of the Corvette development team about viscosity and CAFE in this specific application. And he confirmed that 30 weight was recommended to optimize fuel economy for CAFE and it provides adequate protection for normal use. To optimize engine protection a thicker oil would be selected and that’s what he personally did in the many Corvettes that he owned (used thicker than 30 weight oils).

So yes, if you want to squeak out an extra 0.5mpg in your Corvette, 30 weight is the oil to go with.

And if you want to optimize protection and the longevity of your Corvette engine, a 40 or 50 weight oil would achieve that.

This is coming from the former leader of the Corvette Development Team during the era of Corvettes we’re referencing in this discussion.
 
That has nothing to do with this thread. Probably five different BITOG veterans have chimed in to say basically “30 weight is all that’s needed for this application”.

So I directly asked the leader of the Corvette development team about viscosity and CAFE in this specific application. And he confirmed that 30 weight was recommended to optimize fuel economy for CAFE and it provides adequate protection for normal use. To optimize engine protection a thicker oil would be selected and that’s what he personally did in the many Corvettes that he owned (used thicker than 30 weight oils).

So yes, if you want to squeak out an extra 0.5mpg in your Corvette, 30 weight is the oil to go with.

And if you want to optimize protection and the longevity of your Corvette engine, a 40 or 50 weight oil would achieve that.

This is coming from the former leader of the Corvette Development Team during the era of Corvettes we’re referencing in this discussion.
The point of the post you replied to is that oils now are not the same as oils of the 1980s or 90s.

I'm not siding one way or another, but it's a worthy point to consider.
 
The point of the post you replied to is that oils now are not the same as oils of the 1980s or 90s.

I'm not siding one way or another, but it's a worthy point to consider.
I didn’t suggest they are.
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The Corvette Development Team Leader specifically said 5w30 weight was recommended because of CAFE. And that he did not use 5w30 in his personal Corvettes.

If you want to start another discussion comparing oils from the 90s to todays oils - that’s fine.
 
I didn’t suggest they are.
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The Corvette Development Team Leader specifically said 5w30 weight was recommended because of CAFE. And that he did not use 5w30 in his personal Corvettes.

If you want to start another discussion comparing oils from the 90s to todays oils - that’s fine.
In 2023, there is no OE spec'ing 5W30 as a result of CAFE. By late '80s standards of 10W30/40/50 etc. sure, 5W30 was a brave new world. Folks run 5W30 today for all sorts of use in much higher performing engines/cars than a C4 Vette including track. Use whatever you want, I get it, but don't tell me a modern synthetic 5W30 isn't providing protection for this basic V8 doing autocross b/c "it's just for CAFE".
 
In 2023, there is no OE spec'ing 5W30 as a result of CAFE.
False. CAFE is a consideration with every vehicle oil recommendation.

The 5w30 viscosity is unchanged from the late 80s. The people who designed the Corvettes then didn't use that viscosity in their own Corvettes in the 80s and 90s. Now those Corvettes are 30+ years old. You can take a stab at convincing them to start using 5w30 now because formulations have improved 🤷‍♂️

IMHO - a much more logical speculation would be "Since the Corvette Design Team and Lingenfelter Performance Engineering used 10w40 oils in the 80s/90s Corvettes, those engines may be protected even better by the premium full-synthetic 10w40 oils of today".

That sounds logical, but I personally can't confirm that to be true. Maybe an Amsoil insider could chime in on the evolution of their Signature Series 10w40.

don't tell me a modern synthetic 5W30 isn't providing protection for this basic V8 doing autocross
You have no data to support recommending 5w30 over 10w40 for 80s/90s Corvettes in any driving conditions. Because ... wait for it ...
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... that data does not exist.
 
False. CAFE is a consideration with every vehicle oil recommendation.
Not really, only ones that are typically mass produced. There are myriad examples, such as BMW spec'ing 10W-60 for M-cars, FCA/Stellantis spec'ing 0W-40 for the SRT's and HD 6.4's, Ford spec'ing 5W-50 for the Ford GT and the Mustang GT Track Pack...etc. Plenty of examples where CAFE considerations are tossed to the wind because the volume isn't high enough to matter.
The 5w30 viscosity is unchanged from the late 80s.
While the SAE 5W-30 grade as defined by J300 hasn't changed, the approvals, and subsequently, how the oil is blended certainly has, which is the point that is being made. A 5W-30 from the 80's was not subject to the same degree of testing as it is now. This is why we are now down to 0W-8, 0W-12 and 0W-16 instead of 5W-30 in the pursuit of fuel economy.

That said, any xW-30 post SL is constrained in formulation by the API limits on phosphorous, something that isn't the case with the xW-40's, which is why M1 FS 0W-40, 5W-40, Castrol 0W-40...etc all have higher levels of phosphorous despite now being SP.
The people who designed the Corvettes then didn't use that viscosity in their own Corvettes in the 80s and 90s. Now those Corvettes are 30+ years old. You can take a stab at convincing them to start using 5w30 now because formulations have improved 🤷‍♂️
Why would the conversation be with them, when it is you that is here, having this discussion?
IMHO - a much more logical speculation would be "Since the Corvette Design Team and Lingenfelter Performance Engineering used 10w40 oils in the 80s/90s Corvettes, those engines may be protected even better by the premium full-synthetic 10w40 oils of today".
10W-40 in the 80's and 90's was likely a 30 grade 30 seconds after turning the key. The VII polymers used were crap, the oils sheared like crazy and they broke down quickly. They were also blended with cheap base oils.

They used what was available.

Things have evolved, and improved, considerably since then. The more recent Corvette Race program was using M1 FS 0W-40, just like many of the 24hr cars at LeMans and Sebring.
You have no data to support recommending 5w30 over 10w40 for 80s/90s Corvettes in any driving conditions. Because ... wait for it ...
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... that data does not exist.
Let's look at some 10W-40's. Here's PYB 10W-40, note the 12.8% Noack. M1 0W-40 is 8.8% in comparison:
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Note the API-levels of phosphorous, no higher than your plain-Jane 5W-30.

Kendall 10W-40, same deal:
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Here's Kendall GT-1 5W-30 in comparison, doesn't look much different, Noack is better than the PYB:
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Now, let's look at a Euro 5W-40:
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Higher phosphorous and much lower Noack than all of them.

Oh, but let's really toss a spanner into things here and include a Euro 5W-30:
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Look at that Noack! 6.2% for BMW OE 5W-30, and look at all that phosphorous!

Now, which oils do you think are going to be more shear stable and provide better service?
 
The 10W40s back in the day had high evaporation rates (noack) which kept the oil in grade as the VIIs sheared.
I expect the visc curve looked like a lopsided V, shearing rapidly, tanking viscosity, which then slowly crept back up over the OCI as the base oil oxidized, which of course also produced deposits.
 
Now, which oils do you think are going to be more shear stable and provide better service?
If choosing between Mobil 1 5w30 and Mobile 1 10w40 HM, or Amsoil Signature Series 5w30 and 10w40? (actual oils 80s/90s Corvette owners choose between)

10w40 every time
 
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