Rev-X Oil Additive
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
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It has been mentioned here before, that every member here should contribute with their acquired results, when testing a new to them, additive.
Of course, in most cases, it can be a logical explanation to power increase and increase in MPG, but we will see a pattern, if suddenly several members report about a certain product, that gives positive results.
This goes of course, only for those who has really tried the product that is mentioned.
Not those persons who like to come and tell you what is possible, and what is not, based on that report and this research alone.
If people are afraid to report any unusual results, what use is this board?
It should be room for all kind of people here.
Seriously now, it will be interesting to see if these kinds of products enahnce any aspect of performance or driveability.
I have brewed up some pretty exotic and expensive stuff in the past, but this additive is approx. $8 per ounch, err, per ounce.
What kind of performance increase or mileage increase would you have to see to recoup the costs?
Hi, Mola.
If the oil last 50% longer, it will more than justify the cost for me.
I think it says that you can double the mileage on your oil, so in most cases, only this alone will pay for the product.
In manual transmissions, the deal is even better.
If your mileage improve, this will be an added bonus.
I have to admit that some of the info about the product, is not easy to obtain.
I have heard rumors that they are making a new homepage, though.
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It has been mentioned here before, that every member here should contribute with their acquired results, when testing a new to them, additive.
Of course, in most cases, it can be a logical explanation to power increase and increase in MPG, but we will see a pattern, if suddenly several members report about a certain product, that gives positive results.
This goes of course, only for those who has really tried the product that is mentioned.
Not those persons who like to come and tell you what is possible, and what is not, based on that report and this research alone.
If people are afraid to report any unusual results, what use is this board?
It should be room for all kind of people here.
Seriously now, it will be interesting to see if these kinds of products enahnce any aspect of performance or driveability.
I have brewed up some pretty exotic and expensive stuff in the past, but this additive is approx. $8 per ounch, err, per ounce.
What kind of performance increase or mileage increase would you have to see to recoup the costs?
Hi, Mola.
If the oil last 50% longer, it will more than justify the cost for me.
I think it says that you can double the mileage on your oil, so in most cases, only this alone will pay for the product.
In manual transmissions, the deal is even better.
If your mileage improve, this will be an added bonus.
I have to admit that some of the info about the product, is not easy to obtain.
I have heard rumors that they are making a new homepage, though.
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How are you documenting & verifying results? Is oil lasting 50% longer the only criteria? What are condemnation criteria for the oil?
I didn't know that I had to document & verify results to anyone here?
Is it you that receive and verify results, Benjamming?
But, if I had to do so, it would be:
In an engine, with a UOA.
In a transmission, normally the same.
However, Rev-X come with a guarantee that in a maual transmission, the oil(if it is following the specs recommended for your tranny)will last 480000 kilometers(300000 miles).
Since I am the sucker that I am, and have been using Synlube with great results(they promise similar results), I will actually believe them, until someone have proven them to be wrong about their claims.
It has been working great for me and the Nissan Laurel, with 475000 kilometers on the odometer(295000 miles).
I will follow their recommendations in how to use their product.
However, if I had the pleassure of living in the US, I would have done UOAs , to confirm what it does.
But, I don't.
Doing a UOA here in Norway, is some 5 times the cost of what you are paying.
That's why I will not do it, anymore(I have done one, a couple of years back).
Is it you that receive and verify results, Benjamming?
But, if I had to do so, it would be:
In an engine, with a UOA.
In a transmission, normally the same.
However, Rev-X come with a guarantee that in a maual transmission, the oil(if it is following the specs recommended for your tranny)will last 480000 kilometers(300000 miles).
Since I am the sucker that I am, and have been using Synlube with great results(they promise similar results), I will actually believe them, until someone have proven them to be wrong about their claims.
It has been working great for me and the Nissan Laurel, with 475000 kilometers on the odometer(295000 miles).
I will follow their recommendations in how to use their product.
However, if I had the pleassure of living in the US, I would have done UOAs , to confirm what it does.
But, I don't.
Doing a UOA here in Norway, is some 5 times the cost of what you are paying.
That's why I will not do it, anymore(I have done one, a couple of years back).
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MolaKule
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In manual transmissions, the deal is even better.
If your mileage improve, this will be an added bonus.
I have to admit that some of the info about the product, is not easy to obtain.
Nor easy to verify.
Let's say the mileage improves, but the wear in your transmission increases. Wouldn't this situation wash out any benefits in mileage increases? I.E., mileage increases but you have to replace the transmission earlier.
In manual transmissions, the deal is even better.
If your mileage improve, this will be an added bonus.
I have to admit that some of the info about the product, is not easy to obtain.
Nor easy to verify.
Let's say the mileage improves, but the wear in your transmission increases. Wouldn't this situation wash out any benefits in mileage increases? I.E., mileage increases but you have to replace the transmission earlier.
Awfully defensive there jonny-b. What's wrong?
I guess your English isn't too good. I asked if you had verified the results & if so, in what way. So, have you? What are the criteria other than OCI?
I guess your English isn't too good. I asked if you had verified the results & if so, in what way. So, have you? What are the criteria other than OCI?
Hi.
I didn't mean to be defensive, but was in a hurry.
You are quite correct about my English not being that good, but I try the best I can, since it is not my daily language.
As I wrote earlier in this tread, I have only tried Rev-X in the transmission, yet, so it's a bit early anyway, to get any analysis done on that car.
I am planning to use it in the differential too, in the same car.
In another diesel car we have, we will use it in the engine, when we change oil next time.
In this car we have done acceleration-tests in two different hills in 5th gear, measuring the speed at the top.
Since this is an extremely underpowered car, every bit of improvement will show up(and actually has shown up already).
This car is used to see if the F2-21 fuel additive is doing some difference, in the fuel additive section.
It is a non-scientific test, and should be read as one, also.
I won't put to much into it, but will also report if any changes in MPG show up.
I didn't mean to be defensive, but was in a hurry.
You are quite correct about my English not being that good, but I try the best I can, since it is not my daily language.
As I wrote earlier in this tread, I have only tried Rev-X in the transmission, yet, so it's a bit early anyway, to get any analysis done on that car.
I am planning to use it in the differential too, in the same car.
In another diesel car we have, we will use it in the engine, when we change oil next time.
In this car we have done acceleration-tests in two different hills in 5th gear, measuring the speed at the top.
Since this is an extremely underpowered car, every bit of improvement will show up(and actually has shown up already).
This car is used to see if the F2-21 fuel additive is doing some difference, in the fuel additive section.
It is a non-scientific test, and should be read as one, also.
I won't put to much into it, but will also report if any changes in MPG show up.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
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In manual transmissions, the deal is even better.
If your mileage improve, this will be an added bonus.
I have to admit that some of the info about the product, is not easy to obtain.
Nor easy to verify.
Let's say the mileage improves, but the wear in your transmission increases. Wouldn't this situation wash out any benefits in mileage increases? I.E., mileage increases but you have to replace the transmission earlier.
The price of one US gallon of gas here, is $8.
The price of one US gallon of diesel, is some $7.2
I hope this can answer some of your question?
I think any savings here, can contribute to buying a used transmission, if it should fail.
I could be wrong, though.
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In manual transmissions, the deal is even better.
If your mileage improve, this will be an added bonus.
I have to admit that some of the info about the product, is not easy to obtain.
Nor easy to verify.
Let's say the mileage improves, but the wear in your transmission increases. Wouldn't this situation wash out any benefits in mileage increases? I.E., mileage increases but you have to replace the transmission earlier.
The price of one US gallon of gas here, is $8.
The price of one US gallon of diesel, is some $7.2
I hope this can answer some of your question?
I think any savings here, can contribute to buying a used transmission, if it should fail.
I could be wrong, though.
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Great articles! I really enjoyed them.
One thing that jonny-b and others do not appreciate is the amount of testing that goes into these additive packages. Adding something to them can really screw them up, even if a performance improvement is gained, long term effects may be detrimental. And one of those links that jonny-b (I think) provided asks for experience, but most of them posted were of the type "I tried it, I liked it". The marketing descriptions set off my internal [censored] meter. For the people advocating the additives it seems to be more a matter of faith. They want them to work so badly, especially after shelling out the money for them, they really don't care about verifying the results, even to themselves. My .02 cents worth.
One thing that jonny-b and others do not appreciate is the amount of testing that goes into these additive packages. Adding something to them can really screw them up, even if a performance improvement is gained, long term effects may be detrimental. And one of those links that jonny-b (I think) provided asks for experience, but most of them posted were of the type "I tried it, I liked it". The marketing descriptions set off my internal [censored] meter. For the people advocating the additives it seems to be more a matter of faith. They want them to work so badly, especially after shelling out the money for them, they really don't care about verifying the results, even to themselves. My .02 cents worth.
I think you are correct about many giving their expensive additives, qualities they don't have, to justify their purchase.
Since the tread-starter named a specific additive(Rev-X) and I actually have tried it in a transmission, I felt the right thing to do, was to tell that it actually is working.
I don't deny that many other over-hyped additives doesn't work, but this one did work in my transmission.
When another member here, told that it was also working in his engine(fixing his cold-start issues), I believe that this can be useful info to someone.
When the two people at this board that have actually tried this specific product, says that it does something positive, I really don't think it is relevant to start discussing another product(Z-Max)and its failure or not.
I really believe that for someone having an issue with a transmission or a differential (or cold start issues), this product is one of the few, worth trying.
But hey, since I have tried it, I guess that someone who didn't try it, would know a LOT more about how it is really working.
My .02 cents worth....
Since the tread-starter named a specific additive(Rev-X) and I actually have tried it in a transmission, I felt the right thing to do, was to tell that it actually is working.
I don't deny that many other over-hyped additives doesn't work, but this one did work in my transmission.
When another member here, told that it was also working in his engine(fixing his cold-start issues), I believe that this can be useful info to someone.
When the two people at this board that have actually tried this specific product, says that it does something positive, I really don't think it is relevant to start discussing another product(Z-Max)and its failure or not.
I really believe that for someone having an issue with a transmission or a differential (or cold start issues), this product is one of the few, worth trying.
But hey, since I have tried it, I guess that someone who didn't try it, would know a LOT more about how it is really working.
My .02 cents worth....
Originally Posted By: jonny-b
I think you are correct about many giving their expensive additives, qualities they don't have, to justify their purchase.
Since the tread-starter named a specific additive(Rev-X) and I actually have tried it in a transmission, I felt the right thing to do, was to tell that it actually is working.
I don't deny that many other over-hyped additives doesn't work, but this one did work in my transmission.
When another member here, told that it was also working in his engine(fixing his cold-start issues), I believe that this can be useful info to someone.
When the two people at this board that have actually tried this specific product, says that it does something positive, I really don't think it is relevant to start discussing another product(Z-Max)and its failure or not.
I really believe that for someone having an issue with a transmission or a differential (or cold start issues), this product is one of the few, worth trying.
But hey, since I have tried it, I guess that someone who didn't try it, would know a LOT more about how it is really working.
My .02 cents worth....
Actually, it is more misleading than helpful b/c you don't qualify what "really working" means unless pressed hard & even then you skirt the issue most of the time. Your tests don't belong in the same thread as the word scientific.
I think you are correct about many giving their expensive additives, qualities they don't have, to justify their purchase.
Since the tread-starter named a specific additive(Rev-X) and I actually have tried it in a transmission, I felt the right thing to do, was to tell that it actually is working.
I don't deny that many other over-hyped additives doesn't work, but this one did work in my transmission.
When another member here, told that it was also working in his engine(fixing his cold-start issues), I believe that this can be useful info to someone.
When the two people at this board that have actually tried this specific product, says that it does something positive, I really don't think it is relevant to start discussing another product(Z-Max)and its failure or not.
I really believe that for someone having an issue with a transmission or a differential (or cold start issues), this product is one of the few, worth trying.
But hey, since I have tried it, I guess that someone who didn't try it, would know a LOT more about how it is really working.
My .02 cents worth....
Actually, it is more misleading than helpful b/c you don't qualify what "really working" means unless pressed hard & even then you skirt the issue most of the time. Your tests don't belong in the same thread as the word scientific.
Originally Posted By: benjamming
Originally Posted By: jonny-b
I think you are correct about many giving their expensive additives, qualities they don't have, to justify their purchase.
Since the tread-starter named a specific additive(Rev-X) and I actually have tried it in a transmission, I felt the right thing to do, was to tell that it actually is working.
I don't deny that many other over-hyped additives doesn't work, but this one did work in my transmission.
When another member here, told that it was also working in his engine(fixing his cold-start issues), I believe that this can be useful info to someone.
When the two people at this board that have actually tried this specific product, says that it does something positive, I really don't think it is relevant to start discussing another product(Z-Max)and its failure or not.
I really believe that for someone having an issue with a transmission or a differential (or cold start issues), this product is one of the few, worth trying.
But hey, since I have tried it, I guess that someone who didn't try it, would know a LOT more about how it is really working.
My .02 cents worth....
Actually, it is more misleading than helpful b/c you don't qualify what "really working" means unless pressed hard & even then you skirt the issue most of the time. Your tests don't belong in the same thread as the word scientific.
I did never say that it was highly scientific, either.
I simply don't have the equipment necessary for it to be scientific.
You really didn't understand that?
I think you have some unrealistic expectations about what to expect from a person here, when he is telling about an additive that has been working for him.
Originally Posted By: jonny-b
I think you are correct about many giving their expensive additives, qualities they don't have, to justify their purchase.
Since the tread-starter named a specific additive(Rev-X) and I actually have tried it in a transmission, I felt the right thing to do, was to tell that it actually is working.
I don't deny that many other over-hyped additives doesn't work, but this one did work in my transmission.
When another member here, told that it was also working in his engine(fixing his cold-start issues), I believe that this can be useful info to someone.
When the two people at this board that have actually tried this specific product, says that it does something positive, I really don't think it is relevant to start discussing another product(Z-Max)and its failure or not.
I really believe that for someone having an issue with a transmission or a differential (or cold start issues), this product is one of the few, worth trying.
But hey, since I have tried it, I guess that someone who didn't try it, would know a LOT more about how it is really working.
My .02 cents worth....
Actually, it is more misleading than helpful b/c you don't qualify what "really working" means unless pressed hard & even then you skirt the issue most of the time. Your tests don't belong in the same thread as the word scientific.
I did never say that it was highly scientific, either.
I simply don't have the equipment necessary for it to be scientific.
You really didn't understand that?
I think you have some unrealistic expectations about what to expect from a person here, when he is telling about an additive that has been working for him.
Originally Posted By: jonny-b
I did never say that it was highly scientific, either.
I simply don't have the equipment necessary for it to be scientific.
You really didn't understand that?
I think you have some unrealistic expectations about what to expect from a person here, when he is telling about an additive that has been working for him.
I would not expect someone on BITOG to give advice "willy nilly". Just b/c you don't have the equipment for it to be scientific (& no, > $1k equipment isn't required to be scientific) doesn't give you a pass to dispense advice on the efficacy of an additive. Without some sort of test method, results, etc. it is irresponsible of you (on BITOG or anywhere else) to claim that something is working for you w/o knowing the harmful side effects (if any) especially when a formulating chemist clearly spells out the possible harmful side effects to you & he is quickly dissed by you.
I did never say that it was highly scientific, either.
I simply don't have the equipment necessary for it to be scientific.
You really didn't understand that?
I think you have some unrealistic expectations about what to expect from a person here, when he is telling about an additive that has been working for him.
I would not expect someone on BITOG to give advice "willy nilly". Just b/c you don't have the equipment for it to be scientific (& no, > $1k equipment isn't required to be scientific) doesn't give you a pass to dispense advice on the efficacy of an additive. Without some sort of test method, results, etc. it is irresponsible of you (on BITOG or anywhere else) to claim that something is working for you w/o knowing the harmful side effects (if any) especially when a formulating chemist clearly spells out the possible harmful side effects to you & he is quickly dissed by you.
I don't believe any company selling a product in the US, would dare to sell a potentially harmful additive.
I think the risk of being sued, are too high.
I also doesn't believe that Molakule is God, even though I listen more carefully to what he says, than many others.
I simply found this Rev-X to be working, and if you mean that Molakule was correct about comparing Rev-X with Z-Max, then you are free to do so.
I just don't buy into his arguing, without even testing Rev-X.
He can test "similar" products until his face turns blue, but it still isn't correct to make assumptions, the way he did.
It also looked very easy for him to state that "this product doesn't work, since I have tested a lot of other products".
He is in a position that gives him a lot of attention when he makes a statement, so he should be very careful about badmouthing a product, so fast.
I also noticed the link that Jag provided, that may not be supporting Molakules statements.
I have seen a lot of people here at BITOG, giving advice, by the way.
Why shouldn't I be allowed to do the same, when I find a product that is working?
And by "working", I mean that it gives a result that is better than anything I have tried before, even though I have been trying high quality products, much more than you have, Benjamming.
I see that you have a lot of posts here, Benjamming, so I guess that you live in front of your computer and don't have any time to do so much else.
Keep up your good work, keeping the roads safe, by being in front of your computer
I think the risk of being sued, are too high.
I also doesn't believe that Molakule is God, even though I listen more carefully to what he says, than many others.
I simply found this Rev-X to be working, and if you mean that Molakule was correct about comparing Rev-X with Z-Max, then you are free to do so.
I just don't buy into his arguing, without even testing Rev-X.
He can test "similar" products until his face turns blue, but it still isn't correct to make assumptions, the way he did.
It also looked very easy for him to state that "this product doesn't work, since I have tested a lot of other products".
He is in a position that gives him a lot of attention when he makes a statement, so he should be very careful about badmouthing a product, so fast.
I also noticed the link that Jag provided, that may not be supporting Molakules statements.
I have seen a lot of people here at BITOG, giving advice, by the way.
Why shouldn't I be allowed to do the same, when I find a product that is working?
And by "working", I mean that it gives a result that is better than anything I have tried before, even though I have been trying high quality products, much more than you have, Benjamming.
I see that you have a lot of posts here, Benjamming, so I guess that you live in front of your computer and don't have any time to do so much else.
Keep up your good work, keeping the roads safe, by being in front of your computer
Originally Posted By: jonny-b
Originally Posted By: Trajan
I gotta go with Molakule on this one.
Hi, Trajan.
Really a nice thing to inform all of us where you are going.
You are very polite
Why thank you.
Perhaps you can show me any errors I've committed in defering to the knowledge of an expert in tribology?
Originally Posted By: Trajan
I gotta go with Molakule on this one.
Hi, Trajan.
Really a nice thing to inform all of us where you are going.
You are very polite
Why thank you.
Perhaps you can show me any errors I've committed in defering to the knowledge of an expert in tribology?
I think it was a nice gesture of you, to give us all your inner thoughts.
Besides, have you ever thought about asking questions to some of the thinking, that any expert share with others?
Why don't we all just listen to what the "experts" say?
Don't you know that they can be wrong, some times?
Some times, doing the complete opposite of what the "experts" tell you, can be very profitable.
Besides, doing something that isn't accepted by the majority of people, can be totally correct 6 months later.
Do you really think that my manual transmission is going to explode, because of this Rev-X?
I really don't think so.
But, if it does so 4 years from now, I still had fun the 4 years it was working!
Besides, have you ever thought about asking questions to some of the thinking, that any expert share with others?
Why don't we all just listen to what the "experts" say?
Don't you know that they can be wrong, some times?
Some times, doing the complete opposite of what the "experts" tell you, can be very profitable.
Besides, doing something that isn't accepted by the majority of people, can be totally correct 6 months later.
Do you really think that my manual transmission is going to explode, because of this Rev-X?
I really don't think so.
But, if it does so 4 years from now, I still had fun the 4 years it was working!
Originally Posted By: jonny-b
I think it was a nice gesture of you, to give us all your inner thoughts.
Besides, have you ever thought about asking questions to some of the thinking, that any expert share with others?
Why don't we all just listen to what the "experts" say?
Don't you know that they can be wrong, some times?
Some times, doing the complete opposite of what the "experts" tell you, can be very profitable.
Besides, doing something that isn't accepted by the majority of people, can be totally correct 6 months later.
Do you really think that my manual transmission is going to explode, because of this Rev-X?
I really don't think so.
But, if it does so 4 years from now, I still had fun the 4 years it was working!
I think it was a nice gesture of you, to give us all your inner thoughts.
Besides, have you ever thought about asking questions to some of the thinking, that any expert share with others?
Why don't we all just listen to what the "experts" say?
Don't you know that they can be wrong, some times?
Some times, doing the complete opposite of what the "experts" tell you, can be very profitable.
Besides, doing something that isn't accepted by the majority of people, can be totally correct 6 months later.
Do you really think that my manual transmission is going to explode, because of this Rev-X?
I really don't think so.
But, if it does so 4 years from now, I still had fun the 4 years it was working!
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