Replacement filter for PureOne?
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Originally Posted By: steveh
I don't believe 15 micron filtration is going to reduce wear by 70%. I think Jay is full of it!!
I think you mean General Motors is full of it...
Originally Posted By: Motorking
"Abrasive engine wear can be substantially reduced with an increase in filter SPE(MP). Compared to a 40 micron filter, engine wear was reduced by 50% with 30 micron filtration." (98% point) "Likewise, wear was reduced by 70% with 15 micron filtration." (SAE TPS 881825 p5 - David R. Staley, General Motors Corp. 1988)
Someone did a study in 1988?? Come on man!! [/quote]
I don't believe 15 micron filtration is going to reduce wear by 70%. I think Jay is full of it!!
I think you mean General Motors is full of it...
Originally Posted By: Motorking
"Abrasive engine wear can be substantially reduced with an increase in filter SPE(MP). Compared to a 40 micron filter, engine wear was reduced by 50% with 30 micron filtration." (98% point) "Likewise, wear was reduced by 70% with 15 micron filtration." (SAE TPS 881825 p5 - David R. Staley, General Motors Corp. 1988)
Someone did a study in 1988?? Come on man!! [/quote]
Originally Posted By: steveh
I don't believe 15 micron filtration is going to reduce wear by 70%.
If you don't believe it, you're free to do a study to refute that. In any case, wear in an average engine is miniscule. Reducing a tiny number by 70% merely results in another tiny number. It's not like we have engines wearing out as the failure point of modern vehicles.
I don't believe 15 micron filtration is going to reduce wear by 70%.
If you don't believe it, you're free to do a study to refute that. In any case, wear in an average engine is miniscule. Reducing a tiny number by 70% merely results in another tiny number. It's not like we have engines wearing out as the failure point of modern vehicles.
Here's the same information. Ya, ya ... guys are gonna say it's "all made up" because it's Amsoil giving the information.
http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/sae_filtration_study/
Quote from the article:
"SAE Testing
In the 1988 Correlating Lube Oil Filtration Efficiencies With Engine Wear technical paper published by the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE), the relationship between oil filtration levels and abrasive engine wear was established. Testing determined that wear was reduced by as much as 70 percent by switching from a 40µ filter to a 15µ filter.
The SAE conducted tests on a heavy-duty diesel engine and an automotive gasoline engine, and both provided consistent results."
http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/sae_filtration_study/
Quote from the article:
"SAE Testing
In the 1988 Correlating Lube Oil Filtration Efficiencies With Engine Wear technical paper published by the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE), the relationship between oil filtration levels and abrasive engine wear was established. Testing determined that wear was reduced by as much as 70 percent by switching from a 40µ filter to a 15µ filter.
The SAE conducted tests on a heavy-duty diesel engine and an automotive gasoline engine, and both provided consistent results."
Wix supporters are so bothered by the Fram Ultra they have been arguing and trying to find reasons why the Fram Ultra is not better for over a year now. Witness the over year old thread.
The Fram Ultra is superior to anything Wix makes, they need to get over it.
I need to update Jay on my next free Fram Ultra order.
The Fram Ultra is superior to anything Wix makes, they need to get over it.
I need to update Jay on my next free Fram Ultra order.
Originally Posted By: OilAnalyzer
I do frequent oil changes so my goal is maximum cleanliness not longevity.
For that reason I thought about sticking with PureONE since the tear probably happens long term, not a mere 7000 miles..... ..... Fram says 99% "greater than 20".... which probably means 99% at 25 microns (the next level in the standard test sample). So what is it at 20 micron?
Originally Posted By: dave123
Royal Purple 10-2867 Jegs free shipping
No idea what this gentleman said?
Thanks
This is refreshing to see. A guy that knows what greater than 20 means. I dunno if we are few and far in-between or if most people just find it silly to waste time arguing with theses gentlmen that insist it means something else.
That said, imo all the filters you listed are fine except for tough guard and ac Delco unless your talking the classic ac Delco. However I suppose at 5k even those will do.
I do frequent oil changes so my goal is maximum cleanliness not longevity.
For that reason I thought about sticking with PureONE since the tear probably happens long term, not a mere 7000 miles..... ..... Fram says 99% "greater than 20".... which probably means 99% at 25 microns (the next level in the standard test sample). So what is it at 20 micron?
Originally Posted By: dave123
Royal Purple 10-2867 Jegs free shipping
No idea what this gentleman said?
Thanks
That said, imo all the filters you listed are fine except for tough guard and ac Delco unless your talking the classic ac Delco. However I suppose at 5k even those will do.
Well.... I finally found a Royal Purple oil filter for my car at Pep Boys. That badboy is built like a tank. Can is heavier by a lot even more so than the Fram Ultra. I know Champion labs makes them. At $14 plus is a bit steep though
Yes 25 is greater than 20. Which size particulates are being tested?? The one link Zee0six put up discussed it very well.
Yes 25 is greater than 20. Which size particulates are being tested?? The one link Zee0six put up discussed it very well.
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^^^ I don't follow you around ... don't be so paranoid, really.
I'm just reading the threads with new posts in them (just like you), and guess what ... you just happen to be in some of those threads! Wow, absolutely amazing! In fact you're in those threads responding to my posts - amazing again! Maybe you're really following me around.
Do I have to explain everything to you? I mean, this is even easier to figure out than what >20 means.
I'm just reading the threads with new posts in them (just like you), and guess what ... you just happen to be in some of those threads! Wow, absolutely amazing! In fact you're in those threads responding to my posts - amazing again! Maybe you're really following me around.
Do I have to explain everything to you? I mean, this is even easier to figure out than what >20 means.
Partial OT. I remember this thread. This is a thread with the multiple alias troll FetchFar aka, stickybuns, boundarylayer, route66mike, and elastohydro to name some. His favorite occupation engineer and favorite locations California and Colorado.
MO was personal attack on anyone questioning specs of his favorite Microgreen filters or the FU. Also backing himself up with one or more of his aliases.
Based on this thread, not far fetched to say he didn't know the difference between > and < sign. lol
I mention this so readers will recognize when reading older linked threads such as this with the noted display names posting that they are the same banned poster.
As for real world application of the metioned GM study, at least one long time member has an opposed take on any real world correlation as posted HERE. The multiple aliases can be noted in the link.
MO was personal attack on anyone questioning specs of his favorite Microgreen filters or the FU. Also backing himself up with one or more of his aliases.
Based on this thread, not far fetched to say he didn't know the difference between > and < sign. lol
I mention this so readers will recognize when reading older linked threads such as this with the noted display names posting that they are the same banned poster.
As for real world application of the metioned GM study, at least one long time member has an opposed take on any real world correlation as posted HERE. The multiple aliases can be noted in the link.
Interesting I never noticed that multi before you pointed it out
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