Regular gas in Premium gas designed car

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Can using regular gas in my 2001 Mazda Miata designed for premium cause fuel dilution? I am getting just a very small amount of fuel dilution .5 reported after a 12,000 oil change interval with Mobil 1 0w-40. Only other possible source of this problem is a rear oxygen sensor that has quit functioning. Most have told me because it is behind the catalitic converter it should not affect anything. I am getting excellent milage on my daily commute of around 32mpg.
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premium gas causes fuel dilution?? Are you sure about that (if not, plse cite your source so that we can discuss further)...

if you are a heavy footer, PCV valve problems, excessive blowby on your rings or excessive idling/stop-n-go, you are bound to have some fuel into your oil.
 
Read again, Quest!
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I don't think the gas is causing it; it should burn just as good, but with a higher chance of early detonation. Do you do a lot of short trips?
 
You might get some air/fuel mix in the oil from cracked ring lands or piston crown, or ring and bore wear from oblonged or split wrist pin bore. Other than that I wouldn't worry about it.
 
How long is your commute? PCV system in order and engine in good tune?

Regular gas should burn just fine, but you are probaby losing a bit of spark advance.
 
Sure one can run regular in a car designed for premium just expect less mpg and less HP... to me premium is worth the little extra just for the increased get up and go and efficiency... And anyone can say what they want but my car gets less mpg when running regular!
 
Knock sensors tell the computer to subtract ignition advance. It can never advance beyond what is in the program/map.
They often pull a LOT of advance.
There is a small possibility that the retarded timing causes richness.
I'd use premium, as the power and economy will jump up there to what it should be. You should break even with costs or maybe just a little loss - well worth it.
 
agree with mechtech.

As a real long shot, the low octane should spike in pressure quicker while the computer is learning to retard the timing.

That quick pressure spike could potentially allow more blowby while the inertia of the rings catches up.

It's a wild arsed guess.
 
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Why would you do this? The manufacturer specifies in the owners manual exactly what their engine designers have deemed the engine requires. Is this so hard to follow?




Exactly. 14 gallon fill up, 20 cents more per gallon for regular versus premium, 2.80 extra per fillup. That's like a half a cent a mile.

I agree with the guy who said that the timing retard would cause an over rich mixture. Not sure /why/ I agree, but it seems most plausible.
 
Thanks for all the input. I am running midgrade now but I believe I will go back to premium. I can definitely tell the difference in power but not milage.
 
TR3, if you can feel the power you won't get the economy.

For economy, you just have to know that the power's there, not feel it.
 
Regular gas for premium gas designed car will damage the knock sensor. I have 96' infiniti i30 which is only for premium gas but it was feed to regular gas when I don't enough money. It were just 4~5 times but it made check engine light because of the knock sensor malfunction. the sensor is cost $70. In addition the gas miles was getting worse from 21~22m/gal to 15~16m/gal. I saved about $15 but I lost more than $100...
 
Bottomline is, some cars aren't designed to be backward compatible with regular octane gas if premium is being called for, while there are some that are designed to be capable of dynamically mapping their ignition from 1 tank of gas to another (like my fit) and it makes absolutely no difference in terms of smoothness or power output no matter what gas you put into it (it's 10.3:1 compression, factory recommendation is 87 octane).

The funny thing is, there are 2 brands of gas my car likes the most (gives the most miles per gallon so far): 1 is Texaco and 2 is a non-national name brand in front of Tulalup casino out on exit 200 (right next to Wallymart).
 
Ryan - I think you got taken to the cleaners. The sensor is just a little special 'microphone', and should not be hurt by a little use. Maybe it was replaced, but it shouldn't have been.
 
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Ryan - I think you got taken to the cleaners. The sensor is just a little special 'microphone', and should not be hurt by a little use. Maybe it was replaced, but it shouldn't have been.




To give them the benefit of the doubt, is it possible that the knock sensor problem only showed up when it started knocking? I do agree that knocking shouldn't damage the sensor though.
 
The knock sensor on the 4th gen Maxima's and I30's is a known weak point. Mine went bad ('97 Maxima), and the symptoms were decreased power and a horrible drop in mileage. They will set a DTC of 0304, but don't trip the check engine light by themselves. I found mine to be bad while pulling codes trying to figure out my bad mileage. Once replaced, the car runs well.
Some people will get a CEL when their knock sensor goes because the ECU will sense another problem. A common problem to show with a knock sensor code is a mis-fire. That will set the CEL, and can confuse a lot of people. They will troubleshoot coils, O2 sensors, etc. But when the knock sensor is replaced, the other "problems" go away.
Mechtech2, I agree that the KS is basically a "microphone", but it is very important to a VQ engine's performance. With a bad KS, the VQ30 is a dog, and mileage is horrible. It's also surprisingly expensive for what it is (~$120), but that is how Nissan can be. And for those of us with normal to large hands, it's a pain to change because it is in the valley underneath the intake.
BTW, VQ30's are designed to run on 91 oct and higher, but 87 can be used. The manual says there will be decreased performance with 87. I wholeheartedly agree. Maybe Nissan really maxed out the timing curves or something, and that is why our knock sensors are so important. That could be consistent with my observations of better mileage with premium fuel compared to regular (Nissan really taking advantage of timing advances). It easily offsets the price difference. And I've been tracking mine in a spreadsheet for many years (about 6 now).

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Just to give some input from the other side of the equation, I experimented with premium fuel in my Cavalier a couple months ago to try and figure out what I thought was a pinging problem (turned out to be something loose inside the engine bay), and got worse mileage than I normally do (running 87). What's up with that?
 
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