Redline now - GF-4 SM

[buster]

I asked Dave if the 5w-20 will meet the GF-4 spec. He say "they", referring to all grades?

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Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, the GF-4 is the working
designation for the proposed API SM designation. When we reprint out
labels they will list SM, the current product is suitable for use in
these applications. The new specs won't make a difference as far as
our product goes, it's performance or suitability.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil

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[G-MAN]

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Originally posted by buster:
I asked Dave if the 5w-20 will meet the GF-4 spec. He say "they", referring to all grades?

quote:

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Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, the GF-4 is the working
designation for the proposed API SM designation. When we reprint out
labels they will list SM, the current product is suitable for use in
these applications. The new specs won't make a difference as far as
our product goes, it's performance or suitability.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil

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His statement is misleading in that SM and GF-4 do not mean the same thing. SM and GF-4 specs overlap, but it is the GF-4 spec that puts a cap on the phos and has a fuel economy requirement. SM does not.

 

[bulwnkl]

You know, Dave told me early this spring that they were contemplating switching their 5W20, 5W30, and IIRC 10W30 to the new spec. It appears they have decided to do so. OTOH, our conversation was within the context of the phosphorus cap of GF-4 so I'm not sure what that statement you posted exactly means.

 

[buster]

I dont know either. It is what it is.....

G-Man is right, I'm not sure if Dave understood what I was asking him or if I presented it correctly. Guess we'll find out.

 

[drums57]

As long as they dont have the ILSAC starburst or API service donut they can say anything they want. Redline cant be enjoined by the API because they will say they meet the requierments of the spec without passing the tests required for official certification. I guess we can call Redline Amsoil JR.

 

[boxcartommie22]

just talked to dave a sec. ago and he said they are changing there labels to read sm and ci-4 plus but the additives will remain the same he assured me of that.i use 10w30 and it is duel rated as is much of there oils diesels and gas...will still have 1300 ppm and 1400ppm zinc and still 950ppm of moly...redline as usual will not apply for the api bull.

 

[buster]

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Mike,

The critical levels of zinc and more importantly phosphorus have been
further reduced in the SM certified oils.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil

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So did they lower it or not?

 

[Al]

Won't matter to me..I still have my 16 quarts left over. Since I use one quart per change and I use it in 3 different vehicles that means about 2.5 years left for me

 

[bulwnkl]

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Originally posted by buster:

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Mike,

The critical levels of zinc and more importantly phosphorus have been
further reduced in the SM certified oils.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil

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So did they lower it or not?

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My first thought when reading this one is that Dave is saying that the new certification standards have reduced the levels of Zn & P, not that they have reduced them in their oil. Since RedLine won't be certifying, they won't be reducing the levels in their oil.

 

[boxcartommie22]

bulwnkl, that is correct

 

[buster]

I guess the Moly and POE base are so expensive as is, maybe they are still relying on a lot of ZDP bc it's cheap. It works well so why not I guess...

 

[buster]

The new SM labeled RL bottles have "improved frictional properties" according to RL. fyi.

 

[androbot2084]

So are a lot of new car dealers voiding out warranties if a non API certified oil is used. My Toyota dealer told me that the only time he will question API certification is when an engine comes back sludged up and that is usually a maintenance issue rather than an oil quality issue.

 

[boxcartommie22]

dave at redline said they did NOT cut back on the zinc and phos.as buster says they did improve frictional prop.

 

[Iain]

buster wrote:

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I asked Dave if the 5w-20 will meet the GF-4 spec. He say "they", referring to all grades?

quote:

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Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, the GF-4 is the working
designation for the proposed API SM designation. When we reprint out
labels they will list SM, the current product is suitable for use in
these applications. The new specs won't make a difference as far as
our product goes, it's performance or suitability.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil

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OK, I'll bite.

Any chance for Redline 5W-20 meeting Ford WSS-M2C930A spec as well?