REDLINE 5W30 Integra GSR - Analysis #3

[RC211V]

Here is my third analysis on REDLINE 5w30.
Looks like wear is dropping but I wonder if that is attributable to the air filter change at 22k.

BTW I just received the new data sheet from Redline regarding the text and color changes and if this implied any formulation changes.
Changes
--The ACEA ratings - what are these again? - have changed.
--The 5w30 is now thicker at 100C. Now it is 10.9 as opposed to 10.6
--Flash point is up from 455 to 486
--Everything else, based on the tech, is the same including additives.

I just changed the oil with the all new bottles so we will see if the slightly thicker visc. makes a difference in wear. Anyone want to do a VOA on the new bottles of RL?

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Driving Habits
1. Daily one way trip to work is 4 miles

2. A few times (3) a week, the vehicle is driven for ~.5 miles, each way, after sitting throughout the day.

3. On the weekends, vehicle is driven on the highway for 40-60 miles with sustained rpms at 5Krpm including numerous on-ramp exercises, which then see repeated redline usage at various cornering Gs.

5. No track days on this oil, yet vehicle was on the track at ~800 miles and on two other occasions using dino.

6. Vehicle is garaged with 20-30 second 'warm-up' periods in the morning

7. Vehicle had a road trip to Vancouver, B.C. which is about 500 miles round trip averaging 5Krpm through the entire trip so as you can imagine, I was at high rpms for most of this trip since people do not understand the "slow cars stay on right lane" law on a two lane road

code:

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Miles on Oil 5257 5169 5250

Miles on Unit 25306 20005 14880

Sample Date 11/21/03 6/21/03 01/18/03

Aluminum 8 13 16

Chromium 1 1 1

Iron 7 8 10

Copper 9 11 19

Lead 4 4 3

Tin 0 1 0

Moly 498 610 536

Nickel 0 0 0

Manganese 0 1 1

Silver 0 0 0

Titanium 0 0 0

Potassium 11 20 15

Boron 13 16 12

Silicon 13 17 15

Sodium 27 16 13

Calcium 3092 2754 2365

Magnesium 6 9 15

Phosphorous 1092 1182 1094

Zinc 1199 1292 1231

Barium 1 1 1

Viscosity100C 12.5 12.1 12

Flashpoint 380 420 395

Fuel
Antifreeze 0 0 0

Water 0 0 0

Insolubles 0.3 0.4 0.4

TBN: 3.1 2.2 9.5 old method

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[Leo]

Looks like the wear is dropping nicely, but how does your third run compare to M1? Perhaps M1 would still post a slightly better UOA by just quickly scanning other results on Integras...

 

[Al]

Things are going in the right direction. Interesting that the oil has thickened up that much

ACEA

 

[RC211V]

Leo,

The results I have seen with M1 in Integras, and some Type-Rs, have been rather poor in terms of wear and visc. retention. For a motor that sees consistent periods of 6-8K rpm usage, RL is really the only choice for me.

If you do a search on "Integra", you will find a member who posted his RL and M1 results. The RL sample had roughly 600 miles of track driving on it while the M1 had none and the RL performed equal if not better!

This was also the first or second analysis for him, so wear will always be higher.

IMHO, for my conditions, nothing beats RL.

Al,

Thanks for the ACEA link. Yes, in all three samples, the oil thickened (more so in this recent one), however, the insoluables does not support this.

My understanding, which is rather basic, is that if the oil thickened, which means oxidation and nitration in the oil, the end result would be insoluables to form.

 

[Al]

RC211V I don't claim to be an expert but there are many mechanisms that occur in oil which can either lead to thinning or thickening of the oil. As you mentiones solids or soot can thicken the oil. This is not caused directly by degredation of the oil but it can help speed up the process. Soot in the 3%-5% area can thicken oil. This usually will occurr in diesels with longer drain intervals. It would not occur in the situations we are talking about. As you mentioned oxidation can (but not always) thicken the oil-especially at the higher temperatures. Also evaporation of the lighter fractions of petroleum procucts (volatility) thicken the oil.

On the other side of things. Shearing down of the Viscosity Improvers allow the oil to thin out as does fuel dilution.

So my main point is that solids andhigher viscosity do not necessarily go hand-in-hand.

 

[Drew99GT]

I recall a anaylsis report from another GSR owner who had several runs of both Redline and Mobil 1, and the Mobil 1 did consistently better

 

[Drew99GT]

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000302#000000

Why do I now defend Mobil 1; because I just put some in my car, that's why

 

[buster]

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Why do I now defend Mobil 1; because I just put some in my car, that's why

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Hey, there is nothing wrong with M1. There aren't too many companies that give a great OTC oil that is fully synthetic. And when the 0w-30R comes out along with the 5w-40, Mobil 1 is going to be once again tough to beat. Hopefully the 5w-40 is repackaged Delvac 1.

 

[Drew99GT]

Buster, I guess my point was that if I put ANYTHING in my car that someone bashed, I would defend it and get angry. Just my personality

 

[TooSlick]

Drew99Gt,

It depends on the metallurgy of the bearings used ...

Redline does consistently well in toyota and VW/Audi engines, but does show higher Pb in Honda/Acura motors. Mobil 1 shows very high Fe wear in some engines, but not in others ....

You really have to read between the lines to understand the implications of these UOA's and not rush to judgement.

Ted

 

[Bror Jace]

Well, the trend is heading in the right direction ... just like all us "Red Line Apologists" said it would.

Question is, is the Red Line Oil merely finding and cleaning previous deposits (no matter how slight) or is the chemistry actually aggressive enough to be attacking (at least initially) internal engine surfaces?

--- Bror Jace