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Great oil for high Temp applications. Would be great for a turbo and high horsepower vehicles.
Has Group V base oil.(ester)
Ester based oil should keep engines very clean. Also keep viscosity more consistent and reduces friction which can increase horsepower.
Can be used for extended OCI.
Has Group V base oil.(ester)
Ester based oil should keep engines very clean. Also keep viscosity more consistent and reduces friction which can increase horsepower.
Can be used for extended OCI.
Very high quality group V synthetic. It is very popular with race teams. One of the popular Acura teams uses it along with drag racers, motocross, offshore and some even claim NASCAR teams that have another oil on there hood but run redline in the engine.
Some have stated that its not well suited to extended runs, although I have used it many times out to 8-10K with excellent results. The only way to really know is to perform a complete tear down and measure parts to see what's wearing and how much. I don't believe in UOA's for the most part. Many have also wondered if redline is better than some of the Pao oils seeing that its a group V and has natural polarity ( ability of the oil to stick/adhere to the metal parts).
I like redine alot although I also use Amsoil, PP and Mobil depending upon application. I take it you are inquiring out of interest in using it. What application would it be used in and what kind of service does this vehicle see.
Some have stated that its not well suited to extended runs, although I have used it many times out to 8-10K with excellent results. The only way to really know is to perform a complete tear down and measure parts to see what's wearing and how much. I don't believe in UOA's for the most part. Many have also wondered if redline is better than some of the Pao oils seeing that its a group V and has natural polarity ( ability of the oil to stick/adhere to the metal parts).
I like redine alot although I also use Amsoil, PP and Mobil depending upon application. I take it you are inquiring out of interest in using it. What application would it be used in and what kind of service does this vehicle see.
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How many miles do you drive it per month?
I ran Redline 5w30 in my 06 Tacoma 4.0 V-6 here in Phoenix in the dead of summer for roughly 8,000 miles with a Amsoil filter. It was about 115 for most of the summer and this is a vehicle I use for my business on the side. Lots of stop and go accompanied by long freeway jonts.
Although I dont really believe in UOA's I sent one in. The results were great! During my OCI, the engine didnt burn any oil and stayed surprisingly clean with the EaO filter in place. From the TBN the oil could have easily gone 10K. Your application would be fine for RL and you might want to run one of the lighter weight viscosities. The main thing is its expensive and you want to get your moneys worth. As long as its what you described and not stricly short trips, extended OCI's would be more than appropriate in this case.
Although I dont really believe in UOA's I sent one in. The results were great! During my OCI, the engine didnt burn any oil and stayed surprisingly clean with the EaO filter in place. From the TBN the oil could have easily gone 10K. Your application would be fine for RL and you might want to run one of the lighter weight viscosities. The main thing is its expensive and you want to get your moneys worth. As long as its what you described and not stricly short trips, extended OCI's would be more than appropriate in this case.
Short trips are not all of the time, however here in Michigan in the winter engine does not get to full operating temp on my short trips. I have heard that high quality Synthetics are more tolerant to these conditions versus dino oil.
I will be ordering some 5w-20 very soon.
Thanks for all of your comments, it confirmed my decision.
I will be ordering some 5w-20 very soon.
Thanks for all of your comments, it confirmed my decision.
I use Red Line MT-90 for my manual transmission, and the shifting is noticeably smoother and quieter, and also reverse clunk has disappeared. It is very nice stuff.
Sounds good. I am confident you will like the Redline! As far as sythetics being more tolerant to short trips, yes in some cases. The big problem, regardless of oil type that you can't escape in a short trip only situation is moisture/condensation that contaminates the oil. Since you also drive alot of longer trips this isnt of concern. Let us know how it goes
Why are conventionals better for long trips?
I never stated that conventionals are better for short trips as far as performance is concerned. ITs a financial standpoint. If you are driving only short trips and never or rarely ever get the engine to operating temp and sustain that for longer than 20 mins then using a Dino and shortening the OCI would make more sense and yield the same wear. As you are probably aware a synthetics biggest selling point is its ability to stay in service longer.
And the main point of shortening the OCI in this case would be to rid the engine of the accumulated moisture from short trips. Draining Redline at 3,000 miles is only cool when your bank account is the size of Bill Gate's.
And the main point of shortening the OCI in this case would be to rid the engine of the accumulated moisture from short trips. Draining Redline at 3,000 miles is only cool when your bank account is the size of Bill Gate's.
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Ahh ok I understand thanks 
Anytime!
Red Line oils are made with lots of esters and hugely robust additive packs. In a nutshell, and as I understand it, that means:
1. You can beat the [censored] out of your engine and the oil will take it like a champ.
2. It will stand up to any physical stress (RPM, torque, turbo) or any amount of heat and not even blink.
3. The oil will run extremely consistently until a certain point (usually 7k-12k miles, depending). After that, its performance will deteriorate fairly quickly.
4. Fuel dilution and water contamination (e.g. from lots of idling, stop-and-go, short trips, etc.) will drastically shorten the oil's life.
In other words, Red Line is a good choice if you like to drive very hard and/or have a highly modified engine.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the gist of it AFAIK.
1. You can beat the [censored] out of your engine and the oil will take it like a champ.
2. It will stand up to any physical stress (RPM, torque, turbo) or any amount of heat and not even blink.
3. The oil will run extremely consistently until a certain point (usually 7k-12k miles, depending). After that, its performance will deteriorate fairly quickly.
4. Fuel dilution and water contamination (e.g. from lots of idling, stop-and-go, short trips, etc.) will drastically shorten the oil's life.
In other words, Red Line is a good choice if you like to drive very hard and/or have a highly modified engine.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the gist of it AFAIK.
You drive enough miles you could do two OCIs a year on Redline. Could run 5w20 winter and 10w30 summer. Redline 520 has the HTHS of typical 30 weight. Winter short trips are fine so long as you also have longer runs.
IMO, it's more impotant to run Redline in auto transmission than any other component, but you could justify the cost for the motor oil with your miles.
And the previous post is right, you can flog that engine day in and day out and not hurt Redline oil.
IMO, it's more impotant to run Redline in auto transmission than any other component, but you could justify the cost for the motor oil with your miles.
And the previous post is right, you can flog that engine day in and day out and not hurt Redline oil.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Red Line oils are made with lots of esters and hugely robust additive packs. In a nutshell, and as I understand it, that means:
3. The oil will run extremely consistently until a certain point (usually 7k-12k miles, depending). After that, its performance will deteriorate fairly quickly.
What's the school of thought behind item #3?
TY
Red Line oils are made with lots of esters and hugely robust additive packs. In a nutshell, and as I understand it, that means:
3. The oil will run extremely consistently until a certain point (usually 7k-12k miles, depending). After that, its performance will deteriorate fairly quickly.
What's the school of thought behind item #3?
TY
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Again AFAIK, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong:
While esters make extremely resilient oil films, they are also less resistant to chemical stresses than PAO or group III basestocks are (hence item #4). They are sometimes more susceptible to breakdown, and when they do break down they form acidic by-products. Luckily, they are also great at holding additives in suspension, so high ester oils are also formulated with stout additive packs to fight those effects. So, they will perform extremely well until the additives run out, at which point chemical breakdown and acid formation will start to run away.
Was that clear/understandable/reasonable sounding?
While esters make extremely resilient oil films, they are also less resistant to chemical stresses than PAO or group III basestocks are (hence item #4). They are sometimes more susceptible to breakdown, and when they do break down they form acidic by-products. Luckily, they are also great at holding additives in suspension, so high ester oils are also formulated with stout additive packs to fight those effects. So, they will perform extremely well until the additives run out, at which point chemical breakdown and acid formation will start to run away.
Was that clear/understandable/reasonable sounding?
The real problem with Redline as with any other botique type oil is that 99% of the people using them don't need or properly use the benefits of the oil.
I find this explaination to be partially false regarding base oils. I would look at the additives in the oil for long term use.
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