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Originally Posted By: Craig in Canada
I don't mind frugality either. I go to all kinds of lengths to get the "most" out of things, DIY almost everything (car, home, appliances, whatever), fix things instead of replace them etc... I'm also a "car guy" and my car isn't simply another appliance like a hair dryer or washing machine. I want it working at it's best, and as like-new as reasonably financially possible, as I "push" from time-to-time.

Although my current budget doesn't allow for a dedicated fun car any more I would still have a car I polish UNDERNEATH and prep for concours if I could. I personally don't subscribe to either of the "whatever is on sale" or the "money is no object" camps. I'll get what I feel is best, but wait for it to go on sale :)

I am personally considering a switch to RL from GC for reasons of increased cleanliness and repeated accounts of smooth, quiet but free-revving operation. Unfortunately it's expensive here (probably about $15/L and I need 7L), I change at 6 month/~8,000km intervals and I'm not likely to extend out to 12-15,000km or so to make up the cost difference. GC is already excellent and, on sale, costs about half as much.


Yes, I appreciate the value of all three approaches. I currently drive a Civic Hybrid to save money on gas, since I drive 20-25k miles per year. But my last car was a Camry V-6 with a short-throw manual, so it had both sporty acceleration and a luxury car ride. No matter what vehicle I'm driving, I love it. It's not just another appliance.

Ouch, $15/L for 7L of RL in CA = $105 per oil change. My personal blinking point is $50 total for the oil. Everyone has their personal limits, and your limit is about the same as mine.
 
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Originally Posted By: Bruce T

Ouch, $15/L for 7L of RL in CA = $105 per oil change. My personal blinking point is $50 total for the oil. Everyone has their personal limits, and your limit is about the same as mine.


All petroleum is more expensive here than it should be, considering the value of our dollar and proximity to the US where this stuff remains dirt cheap for some reason.

All syn oil (M1, Syntec etc...) is ~$9/L here regular price. There is no such thing as $0.99/L or even $1.99 dino, even API SA. IIRC a bottle of dino 30wt non-detergent oil is a steal at $3.99. I can get Esso XD3 15W40 dino for $18/gal I think it was, so I ran that last summer because it's a great oil, costs a fraction of GC and works well in my application too.

So, blinking point or no, I'm looking at $63 for any syn oil if not on sale. Luckily a local chain usually has 25% of Castrol 2-3 times per year meaning I can get GC for $7 or so. Now, if only I could find someone running a 25% of Redline sale. I'm not a high mileage driver, so I don't run extended intervals and paying more for oil just for that interval doesn't save me money like it does for some.
 
We pay more for virtually everything, not just motor oil, here in Canada vs the States.
The reason as it has been explained to me is the States is the most competitive market in the world plus the advantage of economy of scale. With the States having a population 10 times the size of Canada it's not too hard to imagine that they have a pricing advantage.
But everything is relative; we still pay half of what they pay in Europe and OZ.
The problem with shipping stuff in from the states is cost. Motor oil is bulky and heavy and most want to send by courier which adds a lot to the cost in crossing the border.

For Craig. When I buy RL it's usually in the 12 -13 buck range. I get it from Wildgoose Performance in Stoney Creek.
 
Originally Posted By: Bruce T
Is it actually that expensive to ship/import products to Canada, or are Canadians being gouged by slimy profiteers?


We should be paying international market price for our crude, and we have refineries in country selling us our gas which has remained around $4/gal for more than a year. You tell me.
 
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Originally Posted By: Craig in Canada
Originally Posted By: Bruce T
Is it actually that expensive to ship/import products to Canada, or are Canadians being gouged by slimy profiteers?


We should be paying international market price for our crude, and we have refineries in country selling us our gas which has remained around $4/gal for more than a year. You tell me.


Is it the price of gas or are fuel taxes higher?
 
I researched it. Gas taxes are 35% of the CA sale price and 20% in the US, so taxes do weigh in. It's frustrating that Canada is so geographically close to the US, yet shipping charges are high. Caterham, I had forgotten about companies that require courier shipping (UPS/FedEx) raising costs compared to US Mail.

Yes, it's very good not to live in Europe for their high taxes (or Oz for crazy shipping costs). The UK pays 222% in gas taxes!

By the way, I thought Canada was an excellent Olympic host and congratulations on achieving the highest gold medal count!
 
It looks so far like I've found RL in the $13-$15 range depending on the grade at JRP in Mississauga. I didn't see gallon jugs on their online pricelist though. It may still be too $$$ to bother with in my application compared to lots of excellent alternatives at lower prices (GC, XD-3, RTS, Rotella T6).

I've really got the itch to try RL 0W40 for some reason though.
 
Im running 0w-20 in both my cars, after using Mobil 0w-20 for a while. Running 3 changes of 5k miles on each and then will analyze to see how its does. If no better than Mobil, I'll go back. I drive my Scion pretty hard so it'll prob help more there, at least Im hoping so.
 
Originally Posted By: Bruce T

By the way, I thought Canada was an excellent Olympic host and congratulations on achieving the highest gold medal count!


Thanks Bruce.

For some of us Canadians the medal that mattered was the Gold Medal in Men's Olympic Hockey. But having said that I was just more relieved than overjoyed when we won in overtime against the USA. Much too close.

The game that I enjoyed the most was the 7 to 3 thrashing of Canada over Russia. That was easy to watch.
 
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I have posted before, I am no fan of the bottles, not from an aesthetic perspective, but from a practical one. The pour hole is TOO SMALL. I don't even know how users of 5W-50 even get it out of the bottle.

I think they feel it is like a built in funnel on every bottle
 
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I have been using Redline exclusively for the last 200,000+ miles and never had any issues or problems with the bottles- it is actually very easy to pour straight from the bottle to the engine with no spills or drips! They sure look pretty on the shelf too!
 
Originally Posted By: qship1996
I have been using Redline exclusively for the last 200,000+ miles and never had any issues or problems with the bottles- it is actually very easy to pour straight from the bottle to the engine with no spills or drips! They sure look pretty on the shelf too!


What type of drain intervals?
 
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Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: shpankey

It's an awesome oil!! I hate the bottle though. Looks terrible.

Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
It is awesome oil and I wouldn't call the bottles "pretty", just ergonomic.
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They are the only oil company I know of off hand that uses polyol ester base stocks in all of their motor oils and gear oils, all combined with an extremely stout additive package.


Motul?


Not polyol ester base stock


Yes, Motul uses polyol ester too


There is a quite a difference between using polyol esters and using polyol ester as the base stock. Motul's language does make it difficult to understand exactly what they are using though, IMO.
 
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Motul's language does make it difficult to understand exactly what they are using though, IMO.

Yep. I'm pretty sure that's on purpose.
 
Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
For some of us Canadians the medal that mattered was the Gold Medal in Men's Olympic Hockey. But having said that I was just more relieved than overjoyed when we won in overtime against the USA. Much too close.

The game that I enjoyed the most was the 7 to 3 thrashing of Canada over Russia. That was easy to watch.


I was glad to hear Canada won in hockey, since it's their most popular sport. Hockey is farther down the list of popular sports in the US (see 2009 Gallup poll below):

1. Football (41 percent)
2. Baseball (10 percent)
3. Basketball (9 percent)
4. Ice Hockey (4 percent)
5-Tie Soccer (3 percent)
5-Tie Auto Racing (3 percent)
 
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Originally Posted By: Bruce T
I was glad to hear Canada won in hockey, since it's their most popular sport. Hockey is farther down the list of popular sports in the US (see 2009 Gallup poll below):

4. Ice Hockey (4 percent)


I would imagine that there are some cold weather states where ice hockey is much more popular than you have stated above.

But even so, having 10X the population of Canada allows the USA to clearly field very competitive teams for international play even with hockey's overall low popularity.

But I am sure that the great success of the USA men's hockey team at these Olympics and their gold medal at the World Junior Hockey Championships this past January can only help but increase the sports popularity in America.
 
i'm planing to check out RL 5w-30 for a car that doesn't need such a great oil :D figure since 1 gallon is 4 qts i'll mix 1 gallon of RL with say 1 qt of castrol gtx. i have 5 qts of gtx laying around and that would be a good way to use it up. i don't think that would be a issue anyways ...
 
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