Red Line Euro 5W-30 VOA 12/2023 (SP formula)

[Dude-Man]

Decent balance of Moly and Boron. In fact is seems most additives are up compared to the SN formula with the exception of lower Calcium which should help with LSPI. Oxidation shows this still contains tons of ester. Hopefully it's Noack is still <5.

Fairly low TBN, even for a Euro, so I don't think I would consider this for long drains.

 

[racer12306]

If it's a 504/507 oil, it would be intended for long drains. 5 definitely seems low on the VOA TBN scale but if it holds the TBN well then does it really matter?

 

[fantastic]

Thanks for sharing. Oxidation could be higher due to being one year old but RL has shown high oxidation before. Good 11.8 starting viscosity for a 30 grade.

 

[buster]

Nice oil on paper. As you said probably not an ideal long drain oil but great for shorter intervals. RL virgin oxidation values range from 85-129 depending on the grade. With low TBN it would be important to get TAN, TBN and oxidation values when getting a UOA.

 

[Jetronic]

The more oxidatively stable the base oil is, the less tbn you need And Esters are pre-oxidized, they don't readily oxidize further, and PAO is as stable as it gets

still low TBN for a euro oil, but likely goes quite a bit further than your average 5 tbn oil.

 

[edyvw]

This oxidation number does not mean it is not suitable for long drains. The question is, what is oxidation at the end of OCI?

 

[buster]

What edy said is right. Just monitor oxidation value.

 

[squidward]

TBN may be measured low when measured using the D4739 test method.
Usually, VOA uses the D2896 test method.

 

[himemsys]

TBN may be measured low when measured using the D4739 test method.
Usually, VOA uses the D2896 test method.

Not really. Only a couple of labs uses D2896. Most use D4739 because that's the only way to compare virgin to used oil analysis.

 

[DirectRejection]

Mg ~ 40% of Ca content.
Zn ~ 90% of Ca content.

What LSPI ???!???

It has been stated on these pages that very high Ca content does not lead to LSPI when a favorable amount of Mg, Zn and Mo are present.

It is possible to have the best of all worlds.

 

[Jetronic]

Mg ~ 40% of Ca content.
Zn ~ 90% of Ca content.

What LSPI ???!???

It has been stated on these pages that very high Ca content does not lead to LSPI when a favorable amount of Mg, Zn and Mo are present.

It is possible to have the best of all worlds.

no, mg isn't an LSPI quencher, but it can replace Ca to an extend and not increase the risk of LSPI. ZDDP and Mo (anti-oxidants) do keep the detergents from oxidizing....

 

[Redhawk454]

is this white bottle redline 5w30 or the OEM recommended black bottle?