Red light cameras in Florida

[The_Jeff]

Originally Posted By: oldmaninsc

Right on red is legal as long as you come to a complete stop before the limit line. The problem MOST people have is that they did NOT come to a complete stop. We are somewhat infamous for the term "California stop" since MOST people do not actually stop.


With sight lines as good as they are people feel like they can do rolling stops, as you have that momentum to get back up to speed after turning. That's the thing about road design; when you make it so safe it's mind-numbing, people cheat until they feel danger again.

However, one must still consider pedestrians in crosswalks around the corner. Since they're walking roughly parallel to the car before it turns, they aren't caught by the "motion sense" part of the eye and are less visible.

 

[InfmousCornholio]

Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Originally Posted By: skyactiv
Texas was the last state in the nation that didn't allow right on red at all traffic lights.


In New York City there is no right turn on red allowed. I can't say if that's in all five boroughs, but everywhere I have driven there it is true.


Everywhere: If it is not posted that there is NO TURN ON RED as the sign says, or some signs have times under it, that usually coincide with school hours.. then it is not unlawful to make a right turn on red.

HOWEVER..

Correct on having to come to a complete stop first. Most people do not and do a rolling slow-down and never stop.

As my Uncle said, and I suspect a cop said to him, as he said what a cop would say to me if pulled: "It's a Stop sign, not a Slow Down sign."

I also find that every intersection I have seen in NYC has posted NO TURN ON RED. I did go to Brooklyn two weeks ago. There are also cameras in use in NYC certain places..

Cameras are revenue generators, they were implemented so poorly that NJ no longer has. I know I know.. "Pilot program." But they DON'T WORK or DO ANYTHING.. except MAKE MONEY for the private companies that make them and put them in, which they pass along to the towns.

Cash - strapped towns (or those that say they are after spending all their cash on truly stupid [censored]) LOVE them. We are not fooled.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Red light cameras are implemented to increase city revenue even they claimed that it is reducing accidents from drivers who run red light, and that is true in many cities.

But the city of Irvine, Orange County in So Cal doesn't use it to reduce accidents at intersections, they increase yellow light by 2-3 seconds, instead of 1 second per 10 MPH speed limit i.e., 4 seconds for 40 MPH it is now 6 seconds, 5 seconds for 50 MPH it is now 7 seconds. They also delay the red light to green by 2-3 seconds, so that all directions have red light 2-3 seconds. These implementations did reduce accidents by more than 70-80%.

I think the main reason city of Irvine did this was because they had surplus budget for almost ever, they didn't need revenue from red light cameras. Many cities in South Orange County don't have light cameras either, but some poorer cities in Central and North Orange County have it.

 

[Kiwi_ME]

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Red light cameras are implemented to increase city revenue even they claimed that it is reducing accidents from drivers who run red light, and that is true in many cities.


In San Diego I believe it was initially implemented genuinely to mitigate what was thought to be an epidemic of drivers running red lights. It was sold to the council on the basis of a 50/50 split by Lockheed-Martin, who installed and maintained the original film-camera hardware. But, aside from automating the red-light enforcement process, the absurd revenue from two or three intersections caught everyone by surprise and it took the council some months to realize that it exposes bad intersection design/timing as well. With all that cash coming in no one wanted to step up to the plate. They increased yellow timing on one (I5/Grand Ave exit) and tickets dropped to a fraction. Harbor and Grape had a design issue which they avoided. I wrote to them in 2004 about that and they partly corrected it.
It wasn't until it was discovered later in 2004 (if I recall) that the vehicle sensor loop was placed back from the actual line instead of past it (to avoid interacting with the traffic light loop) that the whole lot was shut down to avoid further liability. The newer digital video cameras (that I assume have now also been shut down) were the result of that mistake.

 

[BRZED]

I turn right on red after a full stop whether there's a camera or not. Sometimes the cameras are set up to snap a picture of anyone making a right turn on red, but no ticket has ever shown up in my mail. If you don't stop at the line, it's your own fault for getting nailed. If only they'd find a way to enforce the right of way at three and four way stops. The law of the land unfortunately makes the one who stops the sucker, because then the other guy won't bother to stop at all and scoots right through the intersection.

 

[opus1]

Originally Posted By: mclasser
I'm in Florida visiting some friends and know this place is red light camera heaven. I'm extra careful at every intersection here, completely stopping before the first white line for a few seconds, THEN slowly inching forward to see if the coast is clear to make the right on red. Some intersections have the following sign:

If such intersections don't explicitly say "No Turn on Red," I can still make a right on red after coming to a full stop before the first white line, correct? I've heard of cameras being rigged down here and people still getting tickets after coming to a full stop, then making the right turn.
Maybe it's just me, but I take the sign as written to mean that you will get a ticket for a right turn on red as well. I would interpret "*Excludes* right turn" to mean that it's OK to turn on a red.

 

[BRZED]

Originally Posted By: opus1
Originally Posted By: mclasser
I'm in Florida visiting some friends and know this place is red light camera heaven. I'm extra careful at every intersection here, completely stopping before the first white line for a few seconds, THEN slowly inching forward to see if the coast is clear to make the right on red. Some intersections have the following sign:

If such intersections don't explicitly say "No Turn on Red," I can still make a right on red after coming to a full stop before the first white line, correct? I've heard of cameras being rigged down here and people still getting tickets after coming to a full stop, then making the right turn.
Maybe it's just me, but I take the sign as written to mean that you will get a ticket for a right turn on red as well. I would interpret "*Excludes* right turn" to mean that it's OK to turn on a red.


It means right turns on red are monitored and infractions like not stopping properly or at all will be recorded and punished.

 

[InfmousCornholio]

Originally Posted By: BRZED
Originally Posted By: opus1
Originally Posted By: mclasser
I'm in Florida visiting some friends and know this place is red light camera heaven. I'm extra careful at every intersection here, completely stopping before the first white line for a few seconds, THEN slowly inching forward to see if the coast is clear to make the right on red. Some intersections have the following sign:

If such intersections don't explicitly say "No Turn on Red," I can still make a right on red after coming to a full stop before the first white line, correct? I've heard of cameras being rigged down here and people still getting tickets after coming to a full stop, then making the right turn.
Maybe it's just me, but I take the sign as written to mean that you will get a ticket for a right turn on red as well. I would interpret "*Excludes* right turn" to mean that it's OK to turn on a red.


It means right turns on red are monitored and infractions like not stopping properly or at all will be recorded and punished.


Or, that Florida has discovered another source of lucrative revenue.

 

[BRZED]

Doesn't Florida state law clearly state that if a red turn on right is not allowed a sign must be posted stating so?

 

[The_Jeff]

Originally Posted By: opus1
Originally Posted By: mclasser
I'm in Florida visiting some friends and know this place is red light camera heaven. I'm extra careful at every intersection here, completely stopping before the first white line for a few seconds, THEN slowly inching forward to see if the coast is clear to make the right on red. Some intersections have the following sign:

If such intersections don't explicitly say "No Turn on Red," I can still make a right on red after coming to a full stop before the first white line, correct? I've heard of cameras being rigged down here and people still getting tickets after coming to a full stop, then making the right turn.
Maybe it's just me, but I take the sign as written to mean that you will get a ticket for a right turn on red as well. I would interpret "*Excludes* right turn" to mean that it's OK to turn on a red.


This blows my mind. Like shampoo for oily hair. Does the shampoo cause oily hair or does it cure it?

From the state that brought us the ballot that reads VOTE FOR AL GORE for glee club