Recommended value for money all season tires for 225/65/R17

[JHZR2]

Id take a look at the Douglas tires from WM. If value is really what is needed they seem pretty good and USA made, not some dumped junk from the Chinese war machine.

Cooper has been my go to for a while for cars that aren't DDs that I want a reasonable set of tires on.

Then ensure that you're keeping up with the winter tires as that will be more important. Some winter tires still have acceptable all season traction (if shorter lived) after a certain tread depth, so you may want to look into that as well, if you can just work that circulation....

 

[edyvw]

Best value for the money? Michelin and other first tier tires. I kind of like tires that perform exceptional even after xxxxx miles. Value of my family lives is kind of priority.

 

[Risingphoenix339]

Best value for the money? Michelin and other first tier tires. I kind of like tires that perform exceptional even after xxxxx miles. Value of my family lives is kind of priority.

I still believe the advertisement by brands is actually doing the selling for them rather than the tire performance. I am no mechanics or tire expert in anyways . But I do strongly believe that an advertised average tire will sell more than non advertised good performance tire. I’m looking up tirerack website for ratings for this pirelli scorpion touring as plus 3 and they’re better than Michelin defender and crossclimates. I don’t have anything against premium tire companies but I believe there are other less recognized branded tires that do the same job equal or even better.

Lastly, I have hardly come across anyone who doesn’t value his/her own family, so family being important applies to everyone. But my rationale for finding a mid range tire that performs high end is to save money for my family and provide happiness in other areas of life as well without endangering their safety on roads.

 

[edyvw]

I still believe the advertisement by brands is actually doing the selling for them rather than the tire performance. I am no mechanics or tire expert in anyways . But I do strongly believe that an advertised average tire will sell more than non advertised good performance tire. I’m looking up tirerack website for ratings for this pirelli scorpion touring as plus 3 and they’re better than Michelin defender and crossclimates. I don’t have anything against premium tire companies but I believe there are other less recognized branded tires that do the same job equal or even better.

Lastly, I have hardly come across anyone who doesn’t value his/her own family, so family being important applies to everyone. But my rationale for finding a mid range tire that performs high end is to save money for my family and provide happiness in other areas of life as well without endangering their safety on roads.

What tire rack ratings have to do with actual performance? Tire ratings are subjective opinions of those who submitted them. That means that someone could buy Ling Long and give 10 for wet performance as it perceives that they are good for money invested.
I mean, after all these years of discussion, I still cannot believe that it has to be clarified that tire rack ratings are not actual performance measurements and that actually someone will compare two tires based on those ratings.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I recently helped a friend get a new set of rubber for his top of the line '15 Corolla. I compared all the local options.
Remember, the tire cost is only 1 line item on your invoice.

It turns out Costco, with free install and warranty, allowed for Michelin quality at economy priced tires at other shops.
It was a big fat no-brainer. The cheapest tire may not be the money saver it appears to be.

Importantly, one more point. I would like to echo @edyvw, tires are the only part of you car that is supposed to touch the ground. Safety is, IMO, critical. I hate cheap tires; they scare me.

Good luck.

 

[Risingphoenix339]

I am not sure why my rationality is mistaken for cheapness. Congrats to all who run behind brand names without providing any rationale as to why they think they are technically better without any proofs. If it pains fingers for you then I’ll highlight again that I’m thinking of pirelli which by no means are low end or budget tires.

@JeffKeryk, thanks for highlighting the other aspects. I have it figured out as to where I need to get them installed , tpms calibration, balancing and wheel alignment. If I’m missing anything then feel free to add to it. I know Costco is an option but somehow I trust my mechanic more based on my previous experience with them.

I’ll keep researching and see if I can better options that pirelli scorpion as plus 3.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I am not sure why my rationality is mistaken for cheapness. Congrats to all who run behind brand names without providing any rationale as to why they think they are technically better without any proofs. If it pains fingers for you then I’ll highlight again that I’m thinking of pirelli which by no means are low end or budget tires.

@JeffKeryk, thanks for highlighting the other aspects. I have it figured out as to where I need to get them installed , tpms calibration, balancing and wheel alignment. If I’m missing anything then feel free to add to it. I know Costco is an option but somehow I trust my mechanic more based on my previous experience with them.

I’ll keep researching and see if I can better options that pirelli scorpion as plus 3.

Here's an example... My grand niece just purchased 4 Yokohama AS tires, on discount, at Discount Tire in Oceanside, CA.
The tires were $127 ea with $20 off each. Invoice $633 all in, plus tax, so $670 out the door.

Costco has a BFG Advantage Control, a similar tire, for $124 ea, but with free install and warranty, $493.
That's $140 savings.

Tatiana usually asks me about car stuff; I would have sent her to Costco. Heck, the savings might have paid for a lifetime alignment.

 

[edyvw]

I am not sure why my rationality is mistaken for cheapness. Congrats to all who run behind brand names without providing any rationale as to why they think they are technically better without any proofs. If it pains fingers for you then I’ll highlight again that I’m thinking of pirelli which by no means are low end or budget tires.

@JeffKeryk, thanks for highlighting the other aspects. I have it figured out as to where I need to get them installed , tpms calibration, balancing and wheel alignment. If I’m missing anything then feel free to add to it. I know Costco is an option but somehow I trust my mechanic more based on my previous experience with them.

I’ll keep researching and see if I can better options that pirelli scorpion as plus 3.

Like I said, top tier tires. Pirelli is top tier brand: Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental, Pirelli, SOME Good Year.

You have PLENTY of evidence. You go and find tests between tires. If you cannot find tests of a certain tire against top-tier tires, maybe that should be an indication of their quality.
Also, Consumer Reports tested used tires, and Michelin (in particular) and other top-tier brands maintained their initial performance for the longest time. At the end of the test, the difference in braking between Michelin (I cannot remember which tire) and Yokohama was almost 100ft.
Again, there is no such thing as value when it comes to tires. Tires are THE MOST important safety variable. You can have best brakes, best suspension, best steering, but if your tires are bad, mediocre, all that will be mediocre. Something has to transfer kinetic energy on the surface, and the ONLY thing that does that is tires.

Pirelli is generally, in 99% of cases very good choice. I had Scorpion Zero A/S on VW Atlas, and they were excellent road tires, wet or dry.

 

[Risingphoenix339]

While we are at it wanted to share my experience on my current all season Goodyear assurance a fuel max. I got continental wintercontact si the same year I got the suv. Out of 86.5k that the suv has clocked about 40% is on the all season and rest on winter tires. For ease of calculation if we consider 50/50, it’s still 43k on all season and I see minor cracks on side walls and on tread as well. Is this normal? I’ll share the pics tomorrow as it’s dark now.

 

[Ronn]

Id take a look at the Douglas tires from WM. If value is really what is needed they seem pretty good and USA made, not some dumped junk from the Chinese war machine.

Cooper has been my go to for a while for cars that aren't DDs that I want a reasonable set of tires on.

Then ensure that you're keeping up with the winter tires as that will be more important. Some winter tires still have acceptable all season traction (if shorter lived) after a certain tread depth, so you may want to look into that as well, if you can just work that circulation....

I’ve used Firestone Sure Drive all season Grand Touring several times. Great value and performed well. Distributed by Bridgestone and made by Khumo in Viet Nam. I currently have 215/55/17 on my Hyundai Sonata Limited. They are VR rated in that size.

 

[Risingphoenix339]

These are some pics of my all seasons. Please advise what do you think about its state and whether it needs replacing.

 

[CapriRacer]

Not yet. You're a couple years away.

 

[jsean]

OP, tire rack shows Firestone Destination LE3 to be available for your vehicle. I have these on my Pathfinder and they are fantastic in heavy rain and light snow. I run dedicated winter tires in the colder months like you, so I can’t comment how they’d do in heavy snow and ice. About the same price as the Pirelli’s you’re looking at.

 

[Risingphoenix339]

OP, tire rack shows Firestone Destination LE3 to be available for your vehicle. I have these on my Pathfinder and they are fantastic in heavy rain and light snow. I run dedicated winter tires in the colder months like you, so I can’t comment how they’d do in heavy snow and ice. About the same price as the Pirelli’s you’re looking at.

Thanks for looking out for me. After good amount of research, I’ve decided to go with pirelli scorpion as plus 3, it has some real good ratings .

 

[Risingphoenix339]

OP, tire rack shows Firestone Destination LE3 to be available for your vehicle. I have these on my Pathfinder and they are fantastic in heavy rain and light snow. I run dedicated winter tires in the colder months like you, so I can’t comment how they’d do in heavy snow and ice. About the same price as the Pirelli’s you’re looking at.

About the price, I’m not sure where you’re at but there’s a company called Quattro tires, their website usually has one of the best deals and FS destination LE3 Is 50$ expensive than Pirelli scorpion as plus 3. Check it out if you ever need in future.

 

[IndyIan]

These are some pics of my all seasons. Please advise what do you think about its state and whether it needs replacing.

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Do they still work in the wet? The Michelin defenders on my Focus look about the same, but have very little wet grip left, it really dropped off this summer... This is the last year for them. I did have some BFG Sportcomp2's that looked similar as well, but they gripped in the wet down to the wear bars.
If your tires still grip. then keep going.

 

[Risingphoenix339]

Do they still work in the wet? The Michelin defenders on my Focus look about the same, but have very little wet grip left, it really dropped off this summer... This is the last year for them. I did have some BFG Sportcomp2's that looked similar as well, but they gripped in the wet down to the wear bars.
If your tires still grip. then keep going.

I was driving in heavy rain at one time with max seating in my suv and it did well. Didn’t feel like it wasn’t breaking. But with idiots now a days cutting off and driving in your braking distance I’m contemplating to change before the start of next season. Now we need to factor in the idiocy of the drivers as well while thinking of buying new tires and surprisingly for me it will play big role , driving in Toronto/GTA is nuts . Absolute trash.

 

[Capt W]

Funny there are three pages of comments and one (one!) person (stormgol) who actually mentioned and provided UTQG data. This data should be one of the first things referenced...especially when the OP is seeking a value quotient. Most of the inputs here are subjective. That's fine as secondary data; however, nobody's posted the numbers!

Someone mentioned Douglas radials from Wal-Mart. I've used these a lot as value tires. For the OP's required size, here's the data:

UTQG 500AB, H-speed rated, 102 tire load index, 50K mile warranty, $84.00USD each

Lately I've purchased two sets of Armstrong tires, also available through Wal-Mart. Here are the specs for the same size (Tru-Trac HT):

UTQG 740AA, H-speed rated, 102 tire load index, 65K mile warranty, $79.91 USD.

Which likely provides better value?

Use the available data to help make the best decision.

 

[SumGuy]

I'm in London, about 100 miles from the OP. During the 2020-2022 time frame I was researching / purchasing tires for a few vehicles, the sizes I was looking for was 225-55-17 and 225-60-17 (spring/summer/fall) and 215-65-16 for winter. The best snow tires I've ever had on my FWD car was cooper discoverer M+S but they stopped making it in my size (they're sold as SUV tires). We get some nasty snow dumps in London.

I settled on buying Sailun tires, one reason is that the local Tire Country warehouse was willing to sell directly to me. I typically buy tires and bring them and the rims to a local garage for mounting/balancing. For me, once a tire is on a rim it stays on a rim. I've got a lot of tires on rims now.

Anyways, like I said I've gone to Sailun now. In the spring of 2021 I was buying the Inspire 225-55-17 and 225-60-17 for $87 each (plus tax plus tire recycling fee probably). I've bought a set of Atrezzo and also a pair of Ice Blazer. I don't put many miles on my cars, my daily commute is like 2 miles, they see 90% city driving so lots of stop and go. I have no complaints about the Sailuns.

If I couldn't get them from Tire Country my plan B would have been 1010tires (they have a store in Mississauga).

 

[SumGuy]

Thanks for looking out for me. After good amount of research, I’ve decided to go with pirelli scorpion as plus 3, it has some real good ratings .

That tire has a UTQG of 800, which means it's a very hard tire. I would never buy a tire with such a high UTGQ. The tread depth is not listed. Canada tire says it's also m+s rated, and then says this: "The M+S symbol differentiates an All-Season tire from a Summer only tire. While rated for light snow, they will not match a winter tire for traction or stopping distance on snow and ice." Are they correct, that M+S is not also equivalent to a snow tire? I wouldn't buy an M+S rated tire for use as a spring/summer/fall tire.