Recommend: Pennzoil Platinum vs Redline

[qship1996]

Originally Posted By: buster
qship, you need to get over the Grp III vs IV thing. It's been discussed to death. Pennzoil Ultra / Pennzoil Platinum would be find in this engine unless he needs higher levels of ZDP due to the engine type.


Whats there to "get over"? One is refined mineral oil, the other chemically built{synthetic} simple fact......some may choose to think one is better than the other, some may not.....everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

 

[qship1996]

Originally Posted By: Slippery_Pete
Admitted, it seems silly to drop money on go fast parts and not having an oil to back it up.
This won't be a 10 second car. It's a car that's meant to be fun to drive and will see a few track passes and occasional redlight races for my own pleasure.

If I had to guess I'd say I'd be adding about 40hp bringing the estimated crank HP to about 280hp. Would you say that any other 3.8 litre making 280ish HP (crank) needs a high demand oil like RL or SSO?
I don't think so.

I'm pretty sure that SuperTech conventional would cut it. More risk of engine falilure? Sure. But if engine failure is 10x more likely on PP than RL 10x 0.00001% is not much.


It is not the horsepower level of the engine, but the way one operates the motor- plenty of Corvette drivers operate their cars more docile than some honda drivers- frequent racing and track use demands top notch maintenance and quality lubricants for the longevity of the machinery- your car, your comfort level, your money, your choice ultimatly, no?
Just my Opinion.

 

[shpankey]

Since money is an issue... I might actually consider Rotella T6. Stout oil that could hold up to summer track runs and 1/4 drags in a supercharged engine. Though since you say 95% highway probably any oil would do fine. lol

 

[DieselTech]

Amsoil in no shape or form states and Ester in their product in data sheets nor MSDS. If you take the owrd of most dealer they will say it does but I have been a dealer for 8 years and I can never get a straight answere on ester in their products. if I dont visually see documentation there is no fact to the truth that SSO has ester.

If you wanna know the makeup of a product do NOT listen to people you must search the info for yourself as there are way 2 many 1 product lovers that swear by something because some yahoo told them something.....get the fact and if you need help I can help you get to where you can see them.

That being said, dont get hung up on Groups, but it well known ester products such as redline and motul will resist heat better and stay in grade.. The margin between 3 and 4 really is very little and both have advantages over each other

 

[Slippery_Pete]

If this car would be making 50+ track passes this summer. I'd put RL in. No questions.
The breakdown of the usage of this car looks like this:

95% highway
4% city
1% track

 

[qship1996]

I agree that both Redline and Motul stand head and sholders above a group 3 based oil for severe duty usage, silly to even talk about these 2 oils in the same sentence as a group 3 based product.

 

[DieselTech]

If thats the driving habits PP will be more then good for you.

 

[qship1996]

Originally Posted By: Slippery_Pete
If this car would be making 50+ track passes this summer. I'd put RL in. No questions.
The breakdown of the usage of this car looks like this:

95% highway
4% city
1% track






Then fill it with whatever is on sale for 99 cents and drive off into the sunset!!!!

 

[biodiesel]

Originally Posted By: qship1996
I agree that both Redline and Motul stand head and sholders above a group 3 based oil for severe duty usage, silly to even talk about these 2 oils in the same sentence as a group 3 based product.


Good God man. You really know how to beat the [censored] out of a dead horse.

We all heard your diatribe in favor of Group IV/V over Group III the first four times you mentioned it in this thread. I'm glad you went ahead and stated it at fifth. I wasn't sure if you were being serious or sarcastic.

 

[SL8R]

Originally Posted By: shpankey
Since money is an issue... I might actually consider Rotella T6. Stout oil that could hold up to summer track runs and 1/4 drags in a supercharged engine. Though since you say 95% highway probably any oil would do fine. lol


I agree, and since the OP is in Canada (like me), he should consider picking up some Rotella T6 this weekend, because it's on sale at Canadian Tire this week (25% off).

 

[ps49556n]

Bill-- Give it a rest...it isn't worth your time arguing with these folks...

 

[brsmith]

PU is good enough for Ferrari, but not good enough for a Buick Supercharged 3800????????


Show me ANY paper in the world that shows in an automotive application that an oil such as PU cannot PROTECT an engine as well as a group 4/5 in a significant % that would equate to anything in the real world.

Off the shelf Dino has been used for 50 years in Nascar motors and PU isn't going to protect well enough for a guy making 12 passes every few months at the drags, or about 2.5 minutes of total WOT time?????????

I am sorry and have no intention to offend, but RL,or Amsoil, isn't going to provide a significant enough advantage in protection vs. the cost of PU, M1 or any other quality synthetic to warrant the price. I have built $25,000 engines that I wouldn't have been worried about running any quality synthetic in because I ran SAE 30 Valvoline conventional in them and never had an oil related failure.

I would be more worried about what filter to use than the oil. If it were me I would look into a Canton Mecca Racing oil filter to spend the $$$ on. Their full flow 8 micron replaceable filter with no bypass and a quality synthetic will keep that Buick alive.

 

[Greggy_D]

Sometimes I think Bill is one of the few voices of reason left on this site. It ain't like the old days.

 

[Greggy_D]

Originally Posted By: brsmith
PU is good enough for Ferrari, but not good enough for a Buick Supercharged 3800????????




No doubt. I'd love to see the owner's manual for a 1987 Grand National GNX. I wonder what the recommended oil is.

 

[brsmith]

"No doubt. I'd love to see the owner's manual for a 1987 Grand National GNX. I wonder what the recommended oil is."


My '87 SHelby Charger GLHS was factory filled with Mobil 1 10w30.

If the Buicks didn't call for Mobil 1 as well, I bet they called for 10w30 GM "goodwrench" oil, or whatever GM was peddling.

 

[iunderpressure]

I thought the 60 weight PU recommended for ferrari is a group IV.

 

[Greggy_D]

Originally Posted By: brsmith

My '87 SHelby Charger GLHS


WOW! That just brought back memories. That sucker was fast! My buddy had an Omni GLHS.

 

[brsmith]

I thought the 60 weight PU recommended for ferrari is a group IV.


Isn't the 60w a racing oil and only sold exclusively through select retailers?

I only read their marketing jibberish once, but I thought that the Ferraris in NA were approved for the weights we can purchase?


"WOW! That just brought back memories. That sucker was fast! My buddy had an Omni GLHS."

Many a Mustang GT, IROC Z Camaro and a few Grand National and Buick T-Types fell victim to that Charger after I massaged on it awhile.

Best ET on the motor after my mods which amounted to $1k, was 13.29 at 107 mph. Best with a shot from a 75 HP NOS system was 12.60 at 112 mph. Best of all, was I put over 100K on that stock block and averaged 31 mpg, averaging over 71 mph on a trip from Chicago to Cincinnati, OH.

I drove the pee out that car on Mobil 1 and Amsoil 10w30, so I know darn well any good synthetic and a premium oil filter will suit that 3800 SC GM.

I haven't even mentioned the 426 Hemis and 440 Six Packs I had. ;-}

 

[Art_Vandelay]

Originally Posted By: brsmith
PU is good enough for Ferrari, but not good enough for a Buick Supercharged 3800????????


The Ferrari approved Pennzoil Ultra you are talking about is 10W-60. It's available at the following retail locations...NONE.

At the Ferrari dealer it's probably as much if not more than Redline costs per quart.

None of the Pennzoil Ultra grades available in an actual store are good enough for a Ferrari.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: Greggy_D
Sometimes I think Bill is one of the few voices of reason left on this site. It ain't like the old days.

Well then all of us other schmucks should just be quite and let Bill answer ALL the threads here.

welcome to the NEW B(ill)ITOG