Question-problem RL 10-40

[skoulikis]

RedLine 10-40 (SL) on the bottle says ACEA B5-02 and A5-02. How is that possible with HTHS 4.7 ?

A5/B5 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use at extended drain intervals in high performance gasoline and car + light
van diesel engines designed to be capable of using low friction low viscosity oils with a High temperature / High shear
rate viscosity of 2.9 to 3.5 mPa.s. These oils may be unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual or
handbook if in doubt.

What is the difference between ACEA A5-02 B5-02 and A5/B5-04?

 

[buster]

I would ignore all API rating listed on RL's bottles and PDS. They don't submitt their oils for testing so they don't meet any of them.

 

[JAG]

They don't meet API or ACEA specs as buster said and they would look smarter if they had said ACEA A3 to at least get the HTHS category right.

 

[427Z06]

Just like Amsoil (except for the XL and PCO), RedLine oils are not submitted for API certification.

ACEA certification process is different. You'd have to ask RedLine to provide evidence that then submitted their products to certified laboratories for testing and that they passed.

They obviously got the ACEA rating wrong, so that leaves one to suspect they never submitted their products for ACEA testing.

HTHS requirements are the same for A5-02 B5-02 and A5/B5-04. The -02 specification were valid to use if the oil was produced on or before November 2006.

On the bright side, when RedLines oils are independently tested outside certification organizations, they come closer to meeting their published values than many other oils, including the one mentioned above.

 

[buster]

http://kozmik.guelph.on.ca/gtdproject/fluids/Amsoil_S2000.pdf

What do you guy's think of this (old) test? Kind of off topic, but it's the only test I've ever seen RL do on another brand. It leaves me with more questions than answers.

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performed these tests at an independent testing laboratory
using coded names to insure an unbiased result. We have
proven Red Line to provide excellent engine protection and
these results confirm what engine builders have been
describing to us for years.

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[Pablo]

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On the bright side, when RedLines oils are independently tested outside certification organizations, they come closer to meeting their published values than many other oils, including the one mentioned above.

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I'll call bull pucky on this one. Can we have some recent facts? Because Amsoil IS tested at independent labs and it meets published values. Redline made a mistake. Call them on the carpet, write a screed, rant and rave just like everyone when Amsoil does - but don't pull punches.

 

[Pablo]

Buster that was what - before 2000?

 

[buster]

I agree with Pablo here. People love to call Amsoil out when they mess up, which is rare these days. To be fair, RL's spec sheets are sloppy at best. Why even bother to put those specs on the bottle? Only makes them look worse IMO. Also, that was only ONE test outside of a certified organization.

 

[427Z06]

I was referring to the independent testing lab that compiles a book of ASTM test data from lubes made worldwide. I shy away from marketing drivel whether it's EOM, Amsoil, or RL.

 

[buster]

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I was referring to the independent testing lab that compiles a book of ASTM test data from lubes made worldwide

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Yeah I remember that now.

 

[427Z06]

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On the bright side, when RedLines oils are independently tested outside certification organizations, they come closer to meeting their published values than many other oils, including the one mentioned above.

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I'll call bull pucky on this one. Can we have some recent facts? Because Amsoil IS tested at independent labs and it meets published values. Redline made a mistake. Call them on the carpet, write a screed, rant and rave just like everyone when Amsoil does - but don't pull punches.

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Pablo, looks like buster is just trying to stir up trouble again.

Let me suggest we don't take the bait.

 

[Pablo]

I pretty much knew you would pull that out. Those differences were mostly test method selection and lab errors. Not apple to apple comparisons. Plus they are quite old as you stated. We have zero idea what batch date and what specs were relevant at the time. Looking back - this was definitely NOT proof Amsoil's data was/is different from other labs.

Redline erred. Call THEM on it. Don't rationalize. Sheesh.

edit - fixed a typo

 

[buster]

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Pablo, looks like buster is just trying to stir up trouble again.

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Ok buddy, whatever you say. I stated the facts, that RL doesn't send their oils to the API and you whine and post this garbage? I asked RL and they told me they do NOT do testing with the API.

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On the bright side, when RedLines oils are independently tested outside certification organizations, they come closer to meeting their published values than many other oils, including the one mentioned above.

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The above quote was the bait to get a shot in at Amsoil, period. You took it, not me.

 

[427Z06]

buster, stop being a jerk.

 

[Gene K]

To the typical buyer (clueless about oil) the higher the number the better the product.

Why would they buy ACEA A3 when they can get ACEA A5?

I suspect the only product RL makes that might actually meets ACEA A5 HT/HS requirements is 5W-20.

 

[427Z06]

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To the typical buyer (clueless about oil) the higher the number the better the product.

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I agree. And it's the reason I tend to leave arguing about marketing drivel to the simpletons.

 

[skoulikis]

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RedLine 10-40 (SL) on the bottle says ACEA B5-02 and A5-02. How is that possible with HTHS 4.7 ?

A5/B5 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use at extended drain intervals in high performance gasoline and car + light
van diesel engines designed to be capable of using low friction low viscosity oils with a High temperature / High shear
rate viscosity of 2.9 to 3.5 mPa.s. These oils may be unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual or
handbook if in doubt.

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Here is the answer from RedLine:

Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, we printed some labels with
the incorrect ACEA designation, it should read A3, B3/B4 sorry for
any confusion. We produce a very sheer stable product that doesn't
sheer down as the A5/B5 spec calls for.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil

Personaly I am happy with this honest answer.

I used the 5-40 which was A3, B3/B4. First time I used the 10-40 because it is thinner and is very thanked that is not A5/B5.

As generally speaking I am very satisfied from the products of RedLine!

 

[buster]

Dave is a nice guy and RL will always answer any question you throw at them. His answer makes sense. RL won't shear!