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Have to get in a little dig at my friends over at Redline Oil .... The quarts of their 5w-20 synthetic at Advance Auto are only labelled ACEA "A1/B1" - surely it meets the long drain, A5/B5 spec like Mobil 1? The quarts of 5w-30/10w-30/10w-40/20w-50 are all labelled ACEA "A5/B5", which requires a high temp, high shear viscosity < 3.5 Centipoise @ 150C. Redlines own data shows all these viscosities have HT/HS > 3.5 Cp @ 150C. So these should all be labelled ACEA A3/B3, if not A3/B4. To be fair, I did pick up some of their excellent "SL-1" fuel injector cleaner and a bottle of "Waterwetter" to play around with. Maybe someone can tell me if the WW is compatable with the G-12 coolant in the Audi TT? I can't remember if that's an "OAT" or "HOAT" type formulation?
 
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I think that the labels can barely keep up with the re-formulations, as I have some 2-5 year vintage bottlesd of various RL concoctions, and they are, as you point out, widely varying in standards compliance language. As I recall, Audi uses glysantin-based coolants. One thing to avoid with those compounds is phosphorous, because it interacts to form a nasty dark residue when exposed to air - that is the crud you see in the overflow reservoir. I stopped using WaterWetter as a result, because it seems to have a fair amt of phoshporous in it, or if it doesn't, there is something else causing the "sludgeability". I do not believe this is a problem other than a cosmetic one, but for customers, that ios what they see, and I do not like follow-up calls where they complain of "sludge" where there should be nothing but clean coolant. And no one answered my question as to what "crime" Valvoline has been accused of - if it is in regards to Euro-mfr long-life oils, then Valvoline has spelled out which ones they claim to support, and I linked that - if you are saying that they CANNOT MEET those standards, then where is the supporting data. I truly seek to understand the point of this thread, toher than to disparage Amsoil and Valvoline.
 
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If you search on vwvortex.com for "Water wetter", you will find some difference of opinion whether Redline Water Wetter is compatible with G12. I want to try WW also (mine is G12), but remain undecided as to whether it is safe.
 
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Redline's HT/HS is also not measured the same way as Mobil 1/ Amsoil. I personally don't put too much stock in these specs being updated. Only very few people actually look at them although with BITOG that is increasing exponentially.
 
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Ted, G12 incorporates state-of-the-art organic acid technology (OAT) in an ethylene glycol base. I have no idea whether it reacts with water wetter or not. I do know that it keeps engines and cooling systems spotlessly clean inside. I replaced the head gasket on my 1997 Passat. It was factory filled with G12 and was in the engine for 7 years when I drained it. I was amazed at how clean things were.
 
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Originally posted by TooSlick: Have to get in a little dig at my friends over at Redline Oil .... The quarts of their 5w-20 synthetic at Advance Auto are only labelled ACEA "A1/B1" - surely it meets the long drain, A5/B5 spec like Mobil 1? The quarts of 5w-30/10w-30/10w-40/20w-50 are all labelled ACEA "A5/B5", which requires a high temp, high shear viscosity < 3.5 Centipoise @ 150C. Redlines own data shows all these viscosities have HT/HS > 3.5 Cp @ 150C. So these should all be labelled ACEA A3/B3, if not A3/B4.
diggin up this oldie.. m1 doesnt say theyre a5/b5, they list a1/b1 as well http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/NAUSENPVLMOMobil1_0W-20.asp
 
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I used some WW in my 03 Stang GT, and I had the same residue in my coolant tank... I had it flushed after a year and refilled with coolant (no-WW). Someone should ask Dave Granquist what that residue is composed of and where it comes from.
 
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