Question on changing high miles fill

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I just purchased a 2001 ford f150 with the 5.4. Engine looks great and runs amazing, but i do know the prev owner changed the oil every 3k with M1. but, in the 130k miles, never changed the transmission fluid. it shifts nice and nothing is loose, but i have been told by a few mechanics that if i change my transmission and filter now, the new fluid will cause it to slip and leak, and go out within a few k. Is this true? its hard to belive.

All help is appreciated!
 
Nope, that is an old wives tale.

If your transmission has a problem and you change it, if it is not the fluid and it is a mechanical problem then it will still head downhill and die.

If your transmission has no issues and you change the fluid... it should work even better.

The issue is that transmission fluids have a lifespan. If that lifespan is used up then physical wear and tear accelerate. When you go and change the fluid on something that is on it's last leg... it is still on its last leg.
The fact is that the fluids need to be changed regularly, and even then transmissions seem to have a limited lifespan.

The first cooler line flush and pan drop that I did on my Sister's Taurus was at 120,000 miles. It is still running.

The first transmission service I did to my '98 F-150 was at 102,000 miles and it is running like a champ.

If it is running well I say do it.
 
Thats what i thought. The transmission shifts perfect, and the truck has no mechanical issues. I actually did 99% of the oil changes on the truck during its whole life, and i got if for an amazing deal. What would you reccomend for atf? maxlife?
 
I've done a couple pan drop and filter changes on my family's cars where the fluid is black or 100k old, and after some amsoil atf, any slight lagging in shifts/ hard shifts were gone. I am sure the 100k with no fluid change shortened the life of their transmission, but most automatic transmissions will outlast the body of the car if you change the fluid every 50k.

As for the fluid I would get a real synthetic ATF fluid like amsoil, redline for the best results, my third choice would be mobile 1..
 
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if its running good it will be fine. i just changed the fluid and filter on the same truck last year with 200k on it. its stil running great!

i used valvoline merc V. good stuff!
 
I've had several good experiences with Maxlife.
It is easily available for a little bit less expensivethan Mobil 1.

However, if you really want good stuff that can take abuse and last a long time there is always Amsoil and Redline.
 
It's an old wives tale about old fluid. Please change it immediately. Maxlife is great fluid. My truck is much, much older than yours, but I was impressed with what Maxlife did for my truck.

The only bad thing about Maxlife is the smell. Try at all costs to avoid getting any on you, the smell of it is AWFUL!!!!
 
its NOT an old wives tale. There is some truth to it. Case: My buddies 02 PSD with a 4R100 Auto had 117K when he got a wild hair and wanted to change the transmission fluid for the first time ever. We bought a filter kit and Mercon V transmission fluid. Changed it, shifted through all gears then added a 1/2 qt more. it was between cold full and hot full.. Normal.... as SOON as he left the driveway it started shuddering BADLY and had to get it in 4lo to get it back to my house.. Transmission fluid in normal area. We thought the filter was dented and trans was sucking air. We pulled the pan back off and compared the filters the were identical. It cost him $2300 for a quality rebuild. The shop stated that new fluid washed away seal material and thus the failure..
IT CAN HAPPEN !!!! it DID happen. I hate reading misinfo on here about auto transmission fluid changes.
YOURS MIGHT be fine. It MIGHT not after a pan drop..IT's a gamble after 75k-90k miles.. This is also confirmed by BTS that builds HD truck autos..
Dusty
 
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Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
its NOT an old wives tale. There is some truth to it. Case: My buddies 02 PSD with a 4R100 Auto had 117K when he got a wild hair and wanted to change the transmission fluid for the first time ever. We bought a filter kit and Mercon V transmission fluid. Changed it, shifted through all gears then added a 1/2 qt more. it was between cold full and hot full.. Normal.... as SOON as he left the driveway it started shuddering BADLY and had to get it in 4lo to get it back to my house.. Transmission fluid in normal area. We thought the filter was dented and trans was sucking air. We pulled the pan back off and compared the filters the were identical. It cost him $2300 for a quality rebuild. The shop stated that new fluid washed away seal material and thus the failure..
IT CAN HAPPEN !!!! it DID happen. I hate reading misinfo on here about auto transmission fluid changes.
YOURS MIGHT be fine. It MIGHT not after a pan drop..IT's a gamble after 75k-90k miles.. This is also confirmed by BTS that builds HD truck autos..
Dusty
Is that the Ford auto trannie "not the ZF auto"? They break on their own.
 
Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
its NOT an old wives tale. There is some truth to it. Case: My buddies 02 PSD with a 4R100 Auto had 117K when he got a wild hair and wanted to change the transmission fluid for the first time ever. We bought a filter kit and Mercon V transmission fluid. Changed it, shifted through all gears then added a 1/2 qt more. it was between cold full and hot full.. Normal.... as SOON as he left the driveway it started shuddering BADLY and had to get it in 4lo to get it back to my house.. Transmission fluid in normal area. We thought the filter was dented and trans was sucking air. We pulled the pan back off and compared the filters the were identical. It cost him $2300 for a quality rebuild. The shop stated that new fluid washed away seal material and thus the failure..
IT CAN HAPPEN !!!! it DID happen. I hate reading misinfo on here about auto transmission fluid changes.
YOURS MIGHT be fine. It MIGHT not after a pan drop..IT's a gamble after 75k-90k miles.. This is also confirmed by BTS that builds HD truck autos..
Dusty


Even IF new fluid can wash away seal material, there's no way it would have done it within seconds of pouring it in. Sorry, I don't believe that fluid change messed up the trans. Either he screwed something up or it was a coincedence.
 
No.. NOT TRUE! call BTS and ask them they will confirm it. It was not seconds maybe 3-5 minutes since we cleaned up. THE DX: was that the pump could not build/hold pressure since the seals got "washed".. I believe BTS who builds and sees these failures.. over some "armchair" mechanic spouting nonsense over the internet. (870) 422-3673 is their number if memory serves me right. CALL THEM, it you don't believe me.
 
If it is working fine leave it alone, I had a similar experience with my uncles F-150 (around 95k). I do not know what fluid he used but it was spec fluid. It ran like garbage as soon as he changed it, and ultimately he had to get a new truck (2009 F150...lol). He now is going to be doing regular maintenance on the trans.

Just be careful. It could have well been a coincidence or whatever. I just caution you though.
 
Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
its NOT an old wives tale. There is some truth to it. Case:...


Correlation != causation; anecdote != datum.

If the 'new fluid washed away seal material' then your buddy put in the wrong fluid or the 'seal material' was really just gunk & sludge ready and willing to let go.

You're always better off changing the ATF than leaving it alone. Drop the pan, change the filter, refill & exchange the rest through the cooler lines.

All this ATF change nonsense makes me glad I own manual transmissions only.
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But I suppose somebody's buddy's barber's best friend went to high school with a guy whose uncle's manual transmission went TU after a fluid change, so he never changes manual transmission fluid either.
 
Buddy,
The ZF in the ford Superduty truck is a MANUAL zf-5= 5 forward gears, zf-6= 6 forward gears, 4R100= 4 speed automatic WITH OD. A solid trans when serviced..
I'm sorry: the LACK of knowledge that some are posting is getting to me and misinforming others.
The only manuals that I have seen fail are idiot drivers that grind gears, do redline clutch drops with a grippy clutch, or sled pullers that run WAY more than factory power and abuse the truck
 
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This is what I believe when it comes to changing transmission. These are my firmly held beliefs and pretty much nothing is going to change them. I posted it about a year ago on another forum, so I'm copying and pasting it here:

The myth is old fluid has clutch material in it, and putting fresh fluid in it leaves not enough clutch material thus it starts slipping.

I have a few problems with this myth: First of all, this myth started like this: Some guy never maintains his transmission properly and never changes the fluid (BIG no-no ) and eventually he starts having problems. At this point his trans is toast from poor maintenance and nothing will save it. But he thinks “Oh maybe I should change the fluid and it’ll fix it.” So he gets the fluid changed, his trans dies shortly after so he thinks it must be from the fluid, not the years of neglect.

Second of all, the ONLY place you want clutch material is on the clutches. Period. You do not want it floating around in your fluid. Over time, clutch material WILL wear off the clutches and will eventually get bad enough to make the trans slip. This is INEVITABLE and is the reason NO automatic can possibly live forever. But one thing is for certain: You DO NOT want clutch material floating around in your fluid. So change your fluid frequently and keep it fresh. If you change fluid on an old transmission and it begins slipping immediately, your trans was already toast in the first place.

If your trans is still working perfectly fine, changing fluid WILL NOT HURT IT!! Like I said, if your trans ides shortly after, it was already dead to begin with. Also, just because the trans is working fine, do not think that you don’t have to ever change the fluid. Change transmission fluid every 30-40k miles, whether the fluid “looks” good or not. You wouldn’t wait until your motor oil turns to sludge before thinking about changing it would you?

And FINALLY: Transmission flushes are NOT a bad thing. The term “flush” is pretty misleading. Flush machines don’t actually “flush” your trans per se, all they do is exchange the fluid. Here’s how it works: Your trans has a pump and a cooler. When your driving, the trans pumps fluid through the cooler. When you get a flush, they hook up the cooler lines to the flush machine. Then they start the engine. Once again, the trans uses it own pump to pump the fluid through the cooler lines, just as it normally does. But, all of the fluid getting pumped out gets dumped into a tank on the machine. All the machine does is make sure the fresh fluid gets pumped back into the trans at the same rate it’s coming out. There isn’t any actual “flushing.” It’s a perfectly safe method and is really the only way to change all the fluid in the trans at once.
 
IT almost sounds like a air lock was introduced into the system causing high pressure ,which may have blown something out. Just a thought.
 
The truck is almost 10 years old with 130k and never a transmission fluid service. If that in not neglect then I don't know what is.
Austin's truck was shifting PERFECT before the fluid change... Your argument has so many holes its like trying to retain water in a strainer.
to OP: Call a trans shop and ask them. BTS is just one I listed
 
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Originally Posted By: exranger06
Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
its NOT an old wives tale. There is some truth to it. Case: My buddies 02 PSD with a 4R100 Auto had 117K when he got a wild hair and wanted to change the transmission fluid for the first time ever. We bought a filter kit and Mercon V transmission fluid. Changed it, shifted through all gears then added a 1/2 qt more. it was between cold full and hot full.. Normal.... as SOON as he left the driveway it started shuddering BADLY and had to get it in 4lo to get it back to my house.. Transmission fluid in normal area. We thought the filter was dented and trans was sucking air. We pulled the pan back off and compared the filters the were identical. It cost him $2300 for a quality rebuild. The shop stated that new fluid washed away seal material and thus the failure..
IT CAN HAPPEN !!!! it DID happen. I hate reading misinfo on here about auto transmission fluid changes.
YOURS MIGHT be fine. It MIGHT not after a pan drop..IT's a gamble after 75k-90k miles.. This is also confirmed by BTS that builds HD truck autos..
Dusty


Even IF new fluid can wash away seal material, there's no way it would have done it within seconds of pouring it in. Sorry, I don't believe that fluid change messed up the trans. Either he screwed something up or it was a coincedence.


+1 - either the fluid was the wrong type, it is a coincidence, or just bad luck. The proper fluid in the trans would not have resulted in the loss of seals within a few minutes. If what is being described is true, then seals were destined to fail in short order anyway.

OP - change your filter and fluid in good conscience; your trans will thank you.
 
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