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After watching many planes landing I have noticed that more planes than not appear to be landing crooked or not straight. Kind of like a vehicle rear axle out of alignment makes a vehicle go down the road somewhat sideways. Why is this?
 
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the vector of the plane (aimed slightly off the runway centreline) plus the vector of the wind (crosswind) equals a track straight on the runway centreline.

the plane's vector makes it looked skewed relative to the runway. that is sometimes when you touch down you can feel the nose swinging into the centre of the runway after the main gear had made contact.
 
Originally Posted By: aaxb970
Wind shear. Wind coming from left to right or vise versa.


not wind shear, just crosswinds.
 
depends on the aircraft. i did the first half of my training in a cherokee 180, in which i used the preferred method of crabbing into the wind and kick straight just before touchdown. slipping was possible, but you had to straighten out before landing because of the nosewheel steering. cessnas have limits on slip time because of the aerodynamics of the aircraft (airflow over the tail, i think).

i currently fly a grumman cheetah (hypercheetah mod). since the grumman steers by differential braking (free castoring nosewheel), i can slip all the way down to landing and touchdown with the rudder at full deflection. this lets you pin the main on the windward side down and then transition to rolling as you loose rudder authority and gain braking authority.

heavy iron (airliners and such) HAVE to crab, as a slip cannot be maintained once they get close to the ground (wing mounted engines will touch down first). thus, boeing products have crosswind limits based on the amount of crab the main gear can straighten out without collapsing (with a safety factor). an exception to this is the B-52, which has main gear that can be pivoted sideways, allowing it to land with the nose pointing into the wind and rolling at a considerable angle to the runway. i have heard an interview where the pilot said he told the co-pilot to lean back so he could see the runway...
 
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I've never had any problems slipping my 182. Maybe it's a 172 thing. I'd never slip the 320. I can't imagine being asked to lean back. lol that would be nuts!
 
Originally Posted By: sparkplug
I've never had any problems slipping my 182. Maybe it's a 172 thing. I'd never slip the 320. I can't imagine being asked to lean back. lol that would be nuts!


I take it from your quote you're an Airbus driver? For who?
 
I once saw an L1011 make a pretty radical crosswind landing at Orlando. Interesting. Hurricane was headed in, time to get the [censored] outta Dodge.
 
172's are not supposed to be slipped with flaps. Something about airflow over the tail with full flaps, and the flaps don't like it either, they make scary noises.

We were flying 7 hours/day 5 days/wk., traffic patrol. We slipped the Skyhawk when ever needed, but was careful about the flaps.
 
Originally Posted By: zulu
Originally Posted By: sparkplug
I've never had any problems slipping my 182. Maybe it's a 172 thing. I'd never slip the 320. I can't imagine being asked to lean back. lol that would be nuts!


I take it from your quote you're an Airbus driver? For who?

From NY?

Maybe Jetblue?
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Never had a problem with slipping my 172N in 3000 hours I owned it. (or did it own me?
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Take care, Bill
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: zulu
Originally Posted By: sparkplug
I've never had any problems slipping my 182. Maybe it's a 172 thing. I'd never slip the 320. I can't imagine being asked to lean back. lol that would be nuts!


I take it from your quote you're an Airbus driver? For who?

From NY?

Maybe Jetblue?
21.gif


Never had a problem with slipping my 172N in 3000 hours I owned it. (or did it own me?
grin2.gif
)

Take care, Bill


Correct! For the love of God DON'T ask me what that "barking" sound is...
 
I don't think the FBW will allow you to slip a 320..

Correct?

Like the sparky planes.

Take care, bill
 
It's possible. It takes getting used to with the FBW. IF I were to do a side slip I wouldn't use any more than 5 degrees of bank. We were taught to de-crab in training. Some pax don't like side slips.
 
Originally Posted By: sparkplug
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: zulu
Originally Posted By: sparkplug
I've never had any problems slipping my 182. Maybe it's a 172 thing. I'd never slip the 320. I can't imagine being asked to lean back. lol that would be nuts!


I take it from your quote you're an Airbus driver? For who?

From NY?

Maybe Jetblue?
21.gif


Never had a problem with slipping my 172N in 3000 hours I owned it. (or did it own me?
grin2.gif
)

Take care, Bill


Correct! For the love of God DON'T ask me what that "barking" sound is...


I'm a controller at ZKC. If you do any transcon routes, I'm sure we've talked before. MCI, SGF, STL area.
 
Sounds vaugely familiar. Wish I could remember flight numbers... I memorize and forget about 10,000 things in an 8 hour shift. My wife hates me for that attribute. I know all the routes though, and you'd definately be in my neck of the woods.
 
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