Question about Coroner's Office

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In the USA, or in your particular State, if there is a traffic accident resulting a fatality, will the first responders shut down the road until the coroner’s rep show’s up? What about busy highways?

The specific example I’m thinking of is a four car collision. All four vehicles are in the ditch. The people , including the one who was declared deceased at the scene are taken away by ambulance. Is the road shut down until the the coroner shows up and does his investigation? In this case the road is passable without moving the wrecks, but of course there would be rubber neckers slowing traffic and extra risks for the LEOS securing the scene.

What would happen in your area?
 
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Scene will need to be measured to scale and documented.

The body belongs to CO and the scene law enforcement. Some agencies will bring 3D scanners or hand held lidar ...That is what my friend said. Fatality is primary.
 
The freeway or roadway is usually closed until police complete their investigation. I believe all victims at the scene still go to a nearest hospital while paremedics attempt to revive. A doctor then declares an expired person officially deceased (DOA). Then they go to the coroners office where an official cause of death is determined and listed on the death certicate. The doctor eventually signs the death certicate
 
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In my area EMS will not remove the body if they are deceased. Either the COs or a private company working for the CO's will remove the body. Roadways are attempted to be kept open but most times are shutdown for safety of the first responders. It is not unusual for more wrecks to happen due to people rubbernecking.

It always depends on the how the scene is laid out.
 
In my area EMS will not remove the body if they are deceased. Either the COs or a private company working for the CO's will remove the body. Roadways are attempted to be kept open but most times are shutdown for safety of the first responders. It is not unusual for more wrecks to happen due to people rubbernecking.

It always depends on the how the scene is laid out.
This is how we operate our fatal wrecks in almost all cases. If FD were able to retrieve victims to administer aid easier, they would cut them out. However, if dead, coroner was called before anything. Our coroners are LEOs and are considered ultimate decision makers at a scene, or before their arrival, ie; close the highway, secure the scene etc. Most times it was the guys in the big red trucks that would block all lanes of traffic for their own preservation and left traffic control, detours etc. to us. Most scenes were mapped/photographed by drone and laser, either during the incident or sometimes days afterwards without having to mitigate traffic flow.
 
Sadly, I once saw a white sheet covering something on the road nearby a bad crash. Based on that observation, I assume that the first responders do not remove fatalities.
 
In Florida at a local PD here is how it worked: Patrol initially responds to the crash and upon arrival they will notify dispatch if there is a fatality or if anyone involved *looks* like they will be fatal shortly. A team of traffic homicide investigators will respond in this case. The entire scene including vehicles, people involved and witnesses is roped off, roads closed, traffic diverted, evidence photographed and collected, witnesses and other drivers/pedestrians interviewed. All nearby video from buildings, stores, dashcam, traffic cameras, etc. is collected.

If there is a body bodies etc. on scene EMS will not remove them after they are pronounced. The medical examiner will respond then detectives will start next of kin notifications. Same if they are transported to the hospital, next of kin still notified. This has to be done in person, not over the phone...Ever.

Blood draw for involved driver if there are signs of impairment (there usually are) is done on scene, all blood collected is entered into refrigerated evidence for a toxicology screen later.

The scene is then marked with paint then everything is cleaned up and collected. Some agencies have laser equipment that will measure the scene and convert it to a 'to scale diagram' right there. Other agencies have a laser on a tripod with an encoder and will need to 'shoot' the scene later using the paint markers as a reference point for shooting the reflector. Each point is shot individually and takes forever to complete. Think of a survey crew on the side of the road with one person shooting the laser and the other person holding a reflector (prism) on a stick. This makes a paint the dots looking template from which the scene is reconstructed to scale on a computer for court and insurance purposes. The roadway is usually closed again for this to occur.

The vehicles are seized and towed to an inside secured storage for evaluation. A download of the vehicle EDR is done with owner permission, if no permission a subpoena will be completed. At no time is anyone allowed access to the vehicles until the inspection and EDR reading is done. Yes, I know you are making payments on the car and this is your daily driver. Sorry, it stays in secured storage until we get what we need from it.

This is the first half of the investigation. The second half involved waiting for tox to return, evaluating all of the evidence, doing all of the math involved for vehicle speed and direction calculations based on skid marks, EDR data, and video evidence. Then writing an entire report and bringing charges, if any, against persons involved. The comes depositions, court time, trial, civil judgement cases, etc.

It takes months and months for even the seemingly simplest investigations to be completed.

Pssst.. I may have been a traffic homicide investigator in a former life....
 
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Thanks for the great input. Let me explain why I asked. Yesterday I was travelling west on highway 3 in Southern Alberta and was entering the foothills into Crowsnest pass to take me to British Columbia. This would be north of the US border sort of north of the east entrance to Glacier National part in Montana but further north into Canada.

The first photo shows an upcoming weather system. It was taken at approx Noon. As I entered into the foothills snow began to fall. The snow got worse as I drove through the Crowsnest pass, the southernmost pass of the Rocky Mountains in Canada. I drove past the highest point and that prior to the point I put the vehicle in 4WD. As I was coming down the west side on a downward slope I came across a group of first responders with police cars, ambulances and a fire truck at approx 1:30 PM. The site was a sweeping left turn in a mountain valley with no side roads.The road was covered in snow and ice and the temp just above freezing. The traffic was stopped. I was 14th in line.

The firemen were cutting the door off the SUV in the right side ditch. They had already successfully rescued the person out of the damaged SUV from the left side ditch. It was a head on collision and everything was crushed almost up to the window on both SUV’s. All the airbags had deployed including the side air bags. Unfortunately I found out later the driver of the right side SUV did not survive. The responders packed up and were gone by about 2:30 except for two cruisers securing the site. Traffic was backed up for as far as I could see and no one was trying to break the line.

The coroners vehicle showed up at around 5:00 PM. It had to come from a town two hours away. The third photo shows it. It is the dually with the camper in the back. They examined the vehicle in the left ditch and the tow truck removed the wreck. It wasn’t until 6:00 that the 2nd tow truck arrived with two safety vehicles accompanying it. The Coroner then finished off his work and I recall a worker holding a surveyors laser reflector pole.There was heavy snow the whole time.

The line up was finally released at 7:30 PM. The total wait was 6 hours. During that time the road between the two wrecks in the ditch would have been possible except for the increased risk for the responders. I counted the number of cars coming from the opposite side that were also waiting. It was over 600 vehicles.

Good work by all the first responders. Too bad there was a fatality, but those air bags saved the life of the 2nd driver. I grabbed one of the last hotel rooms in the nearby town of Fernie, where I am this morning waiting for day light and snow plows to clear the road. Thanks for reading this long winded story. Photos coming.
 
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Here are the photos.

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Once you realize that the coroner is a specialized detective that is part of the police, it makes sense.

Wasn't the TV show "Quincy" about that?
 
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