Qatar Airways orders 160 wide body Boeing jets with GE engines

[fdcg27]

What is the best oil for Qatar Airlines to use in their new airplanes?

This would be one choice:

https://www.exxonmobil.com/en/aviation/products-and-services/products/mobil-jet-oil-ii

 

[tcp71]

We see a lot of Bombardier Dash-8s in use here for regional work. Not a jet though.

 

[fdcg27]

We see lots of CRJs used regionally in the US, although that program is now moribund and was sold off to Mitsubishi.
Still a bunch in service.

 

[97prizm]

Hopefully Boom Supersonic becomes a viable alternative. They just tested their small test aircraft and at Mach 1.3 no sonic boom was detected on the ground.

I just applied for a position. I also sent in my resume and a description as they'll need what airlines call "Maintenance Programs " employees as long as they aren't using antiquated software to update manuals and repair procedures.

 

[Nessism1]

They delivered 75 of them in all of last year versus 637 A320/321 aircraft with orders for another 7214 of them.
Even Boeing, with all of its problems, delivered 260 737 Max aircraft in 2024 and has remaining orders for 4763 of them.
The current orders remaining for the A220 amount to only 491 aircraft, so to get to 14 a month in another year, they'll need to achieve an order rate the program has never come close to.
Sounds pretty limited.

A220 is a smaller aircraft than A320 and 737 max. Airbus wouldn't have taken on the project, if it meant competing with their own product.

 

[GON]

A220 is a smaller aircraft than A320 and 737 max. Airbus wouldn't have taken on the project, if it meant competing with their own product.

uS based Breeze Airways, a startup airline by the person who also started JetBlue, is exclusively using A220s.

It will be interesting to see if Breeze can run a national airline using A220s.

 

[oilboy123]

The fact Kelly Ortberg lives in Puget Sound says a lot about his commitment. Hopefully that will pan out. The culture is embedded pretty deep. I have read stories of things he is doing to try to jolt employees into not doing the same old same old.

My neice's boyfriend tells me how he has to fight against the culture, because he is trying to get too much done. Others don't appreciate that very much. I worked on the 747 floors for about 14 mths back in 1999. I hated it. Too much BS. Right about the time of the McDonnell Douglas merger.

 

[Cujet]

What is the best oil for Qatar Airlines to use in their new airplanes?

Mobil 254. It is a spectacular, high thermal stability oil and it's use can completely prevent coking problems.

 

[fdcg27]

A220 is a smaller aircraft than A320 and 737 max. Airbus wouldn't have taken on the project, if it meant competing with their own product.

Which has little or nothing to do with the type garnering only 904 net orders over the six years it's been on offer, with a net loss on cancellations in 2024 and so far in 2025.

 

[tcp71]

Mobil 254. It is a spectacular, high thermal stability oil and it's use can completely prevent coking problems.

Realizing it's like using a razor to trim your hedge...completely the wrong tool for the job, are these aviation lubes useful for vehicle engines? In very high output/liter applications?

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

uS based Breeze Airways, a startup airline by the person who also started JetBlue, is exclusively using A220s.

It will be interesting to see if Breeze can run a national airline using A220s.

Jan 2025:

https://airlinegeeks.com/2025/02/19/gtf-engine-woes-largest-headwind-for-jetblue/

Unrelated to the topic but those ultra slow starting engines are very annoying because they block the ramp.

B52 bomber is probably faster starting and taxiing

It’s incredibly fuel efficient but doesn’t make for efficient ramp operations when space is tight.

 

[john_pifer]

Jan 2025:

https://airlinegeeks.com/2025/02/19/gtf-engine-woes-largest-headwind-for-jetblue/

Unrelated to the topic but those ultra slow starting engines are very annoying because they block the ramp.

B52 bomber is probably faster starting and taxiing

It’s incredibly fuel efficient but doesn’t make for efficient ramp operations when space is tight.

Some detail from Mr. Ewing would have been helpful there. Nevertheless, thanks for posting the article.

Embraer’s E2 is also using the PW GTF.

Beautiful engine, but the reduction gearbox that they claim is a sealed unit that’s supposed to last the lifetime of the engine, doesn’t inspire confidence.

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

Some detail from Mr. Ewing would have been helpful there. Nevertheless, thanks for posting the article.

Embraer’s E2 is also using the PW GTF.

Beautiful engine, but the reduction gearbox that they claim is a sealed unit that’s supposed to last the lifetime of the engine, doesn’t inspire confidence.

Let's put it this way ( Beautiful engine ), I love DH on the A220 because the engine sounds "cool" on take off when they spool up ( A320 sounds like a whiney sewing machine/washing machine, and loud ) but I hate the sight of those planes anywhere near me on the ramp when its time for pushback.

It would drive me nuts flying anything that takes that long to start the engines. Ramp controllers hate it.

 

[Cujet]

Realizing it's like using a razor to trim your hedge...completely the wrong tool for the job, are these aviation lubes useful for vehicle engines? In very high output/liter applications?

Not really a good choice for cars. Too thin and not the correct type of additives

I know of a guy who used our waste test 254 in his Camaro. It worked but was more noisy than conventional oil

 

[cptbarkey]

I connected through Doha once and was impressed, the giant yellow bear was mildly interesting.

 

[fdcg27]

I connected through Doha once and was impressed, the giant yellow bear was mildly interesting.

DOH puts every US airport to shame.
The teddy bear was neat, but the McLaren and the aged 911 RSR were neater.
Qatar also has really awesome lounges and there are enough of them that they are uncrowded.
There are airlines that like to call themselves "premium" and there are those that don't need to make that claim.

 

[4WD]

DOH puts every US airport to shame.
The teddy bear was neat, but the McLaren and the aged 911 RSR were neater.
Qatar also has really awesome lounges and there are enough of them that they are uncrowded.
There are airlines that like to call themselves "premium" and there are those that don't need to make that claim.

Yeah nice - been going in/out since the paint was wet - but, I don’t want that amount of taxpayer money going into a single airport or airline in the USA …

 

[fdcg27]

Yeah nice - been going in/out since the paint was wet - but, I don’t want that amount of taxpayer money going into a single airport or airline in the USA …

OTOH, consider the eye-watering costs involved in seemingly modest projects at airports in this country.
Consider the generous support given out of taxpayer money keeping US carriers alive during the pandemic.
It seems as though we do spend the money but get little return from it.

 

[4WD]

OTOH, consider the eye-watering costs involved in seemingly modest projects at airports in this country.
Consider the generous support given out of taxpayer money keeping US carriers alive during the pandemic.
It seems as though we do spend the money but get little return from it.

Our company worked during the pandemic by taking over idle airport hotels for quarantine - and charter flights for hundreds of people …

This comparison is lost on me … Doha is a single hub with billions coming from the government … Who in the USA wants to close airports for that model to work here? …
No American company is going to model after a hydrocarbon rich nation with the population of Chicago - and that allows no one to assimilate …

 

[fdcg27]

It happens that DOH, DXB, AUH and IST are geographically well located to function as high volume intercontinental connecting hubs.
This is not the case for any part of our country, so replicating this model here wouldn't be possible in any event.
The closest thing we have here would be MIA as a gateway to South America, but that is a nightmare of an airport in my admittedly limited experience and the US transit visa requirement makes it even less attractive.