Or you could get Smitty's that may even have some GTL stock in it for what, $7.99 sale price. Life is indeed funny sir
PQIA tests seven more oils, 9/19
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I take it that it's near impossible for a VOA to show what kind of basestock is used?
I believe that (gas)turbo cars are using boost pretty much constantly nowadays if you consider the RPM where peak torque is made (about 1700-1800 RPMs)--if you observe your modern turbo vehicle in operation, the ECM tries to keep the RPM in the aforementioned range for best power / economy, whether on flat roads or climbing steep hills. In my case, I haven't seen many hills steep enough to see the ECM allow a downshift in my GDI-T. The only thing that will allow the engine to make THAT much torque is the turbo. . .in boost.
Incredible! I can see why so many in-the-know BITOGers choose PYB and 10W30!
Originally Posted By: wemay
Great point, and one i forgot to consider. The variables are many. Again, i'd have no issue using this PYB 10w30 or the other two 10W-40s (GTX, QSGB) in a turbo.
The agricultural stuff got only 15w40 conventional, and my Audi 200 Turbo didn't run solely on synthetic, by any stretch of the imagination. Ironically, it got some of my last PYB 10w30.
Great point, and one i forgot to consider. The variables are many. Again, i'd have no issue using this PYB 10w30 or the other two 10W-40s (GTX, QSGB) in a turbo.
The agricultural stuff got only 15w40 conventional, and my Audi 200 Turbo didn't run solely on synthetic, by any stretch of the imagination. Ironically, it got some of my last PYB 10w30.
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Quite an interesting 10W30 to ponder over...
This is certainly not mineral. It's also too low a Noack to be neat PAO. I never got to play around with GTL base oil but at a rough guess, I'd say this oil is based on pure GTL-7.
This would make it a very interesting oil indeed in that it either contains no, or very little VII. Should that be the case, it might explain the high level of Moly as they would need something 'extra' to pass the GF-5 fuel economy tests. I would also hazard a guess that this oil contains no, or very little, ashless dispersant...and this might explain the logic behind this oil.
Let's say Shell have a surplus of heavy GTL base oil. Let's also assume they absolutely refuse to countenance selling GTL to third parties. Let's assume that DI & VII prices have risen (blame Warren Buffett and the Chinese) and are outside of Shell's control. Put these things together and it might make sense to Shell to dump their excess GTL-7 into a 'DI/VII-lite' 10W30.
Just pure speculation on my part. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall to see how they arrived at this one...
Interesting...Thanks!
Quite an interesting 10W30 to ponder over...
This is certainly not mineral. It's also too low a Noack to be neat PAO. I never got to play around with GTL base oil but at a rough guess, I'd say this oil is based on pure GTL-7.
This would make it a very interesting oil indeed in that it either contains no, or very little VII. Should that be the case, it might explain the high level of Moly as they would need something 'extra' to pass the GF-5 fuel economy tests. I would also hazard a guess that this oil contains no, or very little, ashless dispersant...and this might explain the logic behind this oil.
Let's say Shell have a surplus of heavy GTL base oil. Let's also assume they absolutely refuse to countenance selling GTL to third parties. Let's assume that DI & VII prices have risen (blame Warren Buffett and the Chinese) and are outside of Shell's control. Put these things together and it might make sense to Shell to dump their excess GTL-7 into a 'DI/VII-lite' 10W30.
Just pure speculation on my part. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall to see how they arrived at this one...
Interesting...Thanks!
Whilst we are all celebrating this wonderful 10W30, perhaps we ought to offer up a modicum of sympathy for the poor sod in Shell that did the final sign off on the Qatar GTL plant.
This mega-plant, which was years and years in construction, has cost an eye watering $US 24 billion to build!!! It hit full capacity in 2012, just in time for the biggest bust in crude oil prices I've seen in decades! Even with gas feedstock that is essential free, the economics of this plant must be spectacularly awful, especially if you judge it in terms of discounted cash flow. The lube base stocks are but a minor by-product of the GTL process. Yes they're good but maybe just using Group III and keeping the $US 24 billion in the bank might possibly have been a wiser decision...
This mega-plant, which was years and years in construction, has cost an eye watering $US 24 billion to build!!! It hit full capacity in 2012, just in time for the biggest bust in crude oil prices I've seen in decades! Even with gas feedstock that is essential free, the economics of this plant must be spectacularly awful, especially if you judge it in terms of discounted cash flow. The lube base stocks are but a minor by-product of the GTL process. Yes they're good but maybe just using Group III and keeping the $US 24 billion in the bank might possibly have been a wiser decision...
But the plant is there, and the GTL oils are also used for shell fuels, are they not? it's not like they can shut it down until crude prices go up.
I can't even get a 10w30 here, or I'd consider this oil aswell.
I can't even get a 10w30 here, or I'd consider this oil aswell.
Look at it this way...
You're doing okay. You're pulling in a salary of £100k a year. You go to the bank and take out a £1 million mortgage to buy a posh house. Life looks rosy.
Something happens and you lose your job. The only position you can get is as a shelf stacker at Tesco's which pays £10k pa. Now you can still afford to buy food from Aldi and because you live in a civilised country like the UK, with a creaky but still functioning welfare state, the kids still get educated and you can get fixed up if you're ever sick...but when are you ever going to pay off that mortgage??? Errrr...
You're doing okay. You're pulling in a salary of £100k a year. You go to the bank and take out a £1 million mortgage to buy a posh house. Life looks rosy.
Something happens and you lose your job. The only position you can get is as a shelf stacker at Tesco's which pays £10k pa. Now you can still afford to buy food from Aldi and because you live in a civilised country like the UK, with a creaky but still functioning welfare state, the kids still get educated and you can get fixed up if you're ever sick...but when are you ever going to pay off that mortgage??? Errrr...
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I know, but they can't go on welfare, they're up to their neck in it.
They could try selling the plant, but everybody else is also on a £10k tesco job so that's not really a solution either.
It's though, but there's no choice but to run with it... and try to create a market for the GTL stuff so that peope will choose it over anything not having it...
They could try selling the plant, but everybody else is also on a £10k tesco job so that's not really a solution either.
It's though, but there's no choice but to run with it... and try to create a market for the GTL stuff so that peope will choose it over anything not having it...
Well, I am not running out to buy PYB just yet (If it is the tractor supply $2/qt sale, then yes). The problem for PQIA is the sample size. While PYB is making a habit of low NOACK, I would be weary to say that every bottle out there has the low NOACK (but I am interested in finding out if this is true). It is interesting. PQIA is one of the better sources of info but it can't quite say that PYB will have 4.4 or 4.2% in every bottle. Keep in mind that these tests are more like a spot check designed to expose divergence from a point. You can use it two ways: 1) those that are deviating from spec (looking at you Valvoline), or if you have the manufacturer's claimed targets (ie 13% for a specific weight for a specific product and it comes back 13.1% or 14.9 from PQIA) you can cross compare. Otherwise, we BITOG should start sending in VOA to see if we can replicate the results.
Anyway, I am excited about those results. Very impressive.
Anyway, I am excited about those results. Very impressive.
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ExxonMobil lost something like 10 billion on the gas plant in Qatar that they cancelled.
I wonder if the guy in Shell that signed off on the Qatar GTL plant has a brother who writes emission system control software for Volkswagen??
Interesting.. On one hand, Cos like Shell supposedly plan for generations (plural), OTOH bigger blunders happened in history. Especially with big entities.
Anyway, folks are excited by PYB now. New Oil Reformation!
The Chaos is come again..
Anyway, folks are excited by PYB now. New Oil Reformation!
The Chaos is come again..
No matter which oil company, they all need tax write-offs... 24 billion makes for a nice write off spread over a couple of years.
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