Looks like Platinum 5w/10w30 now has PAO in it.
This is good, right?
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00018715.PDF
This is good, right?
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GSAP_msds_00018715.PDF
PP even better
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I've seen these MSDS's before, but I didn't think it could be true.
The Quaker State Q synthetic MSDS's say the same thing.
The Quaker State Q synthetic MSDS's say the same thing.
Could be Viscosity modifier
P A O= polyalphaolefin [sp]
Thank you steve. I was refering to the fact that high viscosity/Hig VI PAO can be used as a Viscosity modifier.
PAO is hydrocarbon based as well.
Under the composition section, the MSDS lists hydrotreated petroleum distillates 1.00-5.00%, zinc alkyl dithiophosphate 1.00-5.00%, with the remainder being polyolefins and additives. I could be mistaken, but this would seem to imply a base oil that is primarily PAO.
It could also be Shells slack wax base oil a Grp III+. It doesn't really matter it is good either way.
PAO, High quality Grp III or XHVI Grp III+, it's a good formula regardless.
This is only an MSDS description that is not meant for anything but Health, safety and environmental requirments and therefore the classifications can be left vague and trade secrets retained. The fire and health and safety and environmental impacts between these base oils are the same. I think the secrecy in the formyulations has more to do with maintaining steady supply chain through non disclosure. If a blender is getting a good price on a base oil and people like the oil and sales are good and they advertise the base oil they could place demand on the base oil from opther bleanders causing the price to go yup and availablity to go down. In the tight base oil market they have to protect their supply chain.
This is only an MSDS description that is not meant for anything but Health, safety and environmental requirments and therefore the classifications can be left vague and trade secrets retained. The fire and health and safety and environmental impacts between these base oils are the same. I think the secrecy in the formyulations has more to do with maintaining steady supply chain through non disclosure. If a blender is getting a good price on a base oil and people like the oil and sales are good and they advertise the base oil they could place demand on the base oil from opther bleanders causing the price to go yup and availablity to go down. In the tight base oil market they have to protect their supply chain.
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Originally Posted By: BerndV
Under the composition section, the MSDS lists hydrotreated petroleum distillates 1.00-5.00%, zinc alkyl dithiophosphate 1.00-5.00%, with the remainder being polyolefins and additives. I could be mistaken, but this would seem to imply a base oil that is primarily PAO.
It depends what MSDS you look at. I've seen several that listed different ingredients.
Go here http://www.pennzoil.com/products/technical/msds.html and type in platinum, then view the MSDS's. They seem to have used the 0W-20 MSDS for most of the Quaker State Horsepower oils, and depending where you get the MSDS, all of the Pennzoil Platinum oils as well.
Under the composition section, the MSDS lists hydrotreated petroleum distillates 1.00-5.00%, zinc alkyl dithiophosphate 1.00-5.00%, with the remainder being polyolefins and additives. I could be mistaken, but this would seem to imply a base oil that is primarily PAO.
It depends what MSDS you look at. I've seen several that listed different ingredients.
Go here http://www.pennzoil.com/products/technical/msds.html and type in platinum, then view the MSDS's. They seem to have used the 0W-20 MSDS for most of the Quaker State Horsepower oils, and depending where you get the MSDS, all of the Pennzoil Platinum oils as well.
Here is another little cryptic yet interesting tidbit.
Consider Pennzoils synthetic name change to "platinum"
Then read this
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7261806.html
Consider the date of the patent , the implementation date and the name change.
Consider Pennzoils synthetic name change to "platinum"
Then read this
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7261806.html
Consider the date of the patent , the implementation date and the name change.
Quote:
There have been many efforts to obtain a fluorine free hydroisomerisation catalyst. For example WO-A-9941337 describes a hydroisomerisation process wherein a slack-wax containing feed is contacted with a fluorine free catalyst. The disclosed catalyst consists of a platinum or palladium metal on a silica-alumina carrier. According to this publication a hydrotreatment step is preferably performed prior to the hydroisomerisation step in order to reduce the sulphur and nitrogen content to below 2 ppm, in order to avoid deactivation of the noble metal containing hydroisomerisation catalyst.
Interesting indeed
There have been many efforts to obtain a fluorine free hydroisomerisation catalyst. For example WO-A-9941337 describes a hydroisomerisation process wherein a slack-wax containing feed is contacted with a fluorine free catalyst. The disclosed catalyst consists of a platinum or palladium metal on a silica-alumina carrier. According to this publication a hydrotreatment step is preferably performed prior to the hydroisomerisation step in order to reduce the sulphur and nitrogen content to below 2 ppm, in order to avoid deactivation of the noble metal containing hydroisomerisation catalyst.
Interesting indeed
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I don't think you can imply that if PAO and group III are both hydrocarbon. It could be any mix of the the 2.
Both PAO and Group III base oils are hydrocarbons. However, PAO's are not "hydrotreated petroleum distillates". The term "hydrotreatment" generally refers to the various hydrocracking and hydroisomerization processes that produce Group III base oils.
I don't think you can imply that if PAO and group III are both hydrocarbon. It could be any mix of the the 2.
Both PAO and Group III base oils are hydrocarbons. However, PAO's are not "hydrotreated petroleum distillates". The term "hydrotreatment" generally refers to the various hydrocracking and hydroisomerization processes that produce Group III base oils.
Hey "ctc",
Is that "ctc" what I think it is?
Is that "ctc" what I think it is?
old farmer, you are just up the road from the refinery in Sarnia. Do you know anyone there who could answer some of our questions ??
I'm down in Wheatley.
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I'm down in Wheatley.
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