Picked up some TITAN GT1 PRO FLEX SAE 5W-30 XTL

[21Rouge]

For a while now some of us Canadians have been trying to obtain the zinc free FUCHS 0W20 (now with XTL 'technology' ). We seem to be a little bit closer to this goal with just a little side tracking as today I took delivery of some of their dexos 2 5W30 (XTL formula).

(see here for detailed specs of the FUCHS current lineup of oils: http://www.fuchs-europe.de/products.html)

 

[pbm]

dexos2 is a diesel spec.

 

[21Rouge]

I understand the diesel spec but lots of diesel spec'd oil is used more than successfully in place of PCMO. And you can see that this oil's specs includes API SM.

Come this November I will use it in place of Esso XD CJ-4 0W30 and do a used oil analysis coming out the other side of winter...March/April 2012.

 

[A_Harman]

Wow, sounds expensive. How much was it?

 

[walk23]

$ cost ?

 

[dparm]

It carries a lot of non-diesel specs too. Very nice, but sadly we can't get it in the USA.

 

[CATERHAM]

21Rouge, do you have the PDS for this oil?

 

[Falcon_LS]

Great stuff!

 

[Falcon_LS]

I'm quite confused, however. The GM-LL-A-025 specification calls for a minimum TBN of 10.5, and GM-LL-B-025 calls for a minimum TBN of 9.5, yet the product meets low SAPS specs like ACEA C3, MB Sheet 229.51 and BMW LongLife '04. How is that possible?

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: Falcon_LS
I'm quite confused, however. The GM-LL-A-025 specification calls for a minimum TBN of 10.5, and GM-LL-B-025 calls for a minimum TBN of 9.5, yet the product meets low SAPS specs like ACEA C3, MB Sheet 229.51 and BMW LongLife '04. How is that possible?

Those GM specs are listed on the bottle as only "recommendations", and not approvals.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
21Rouge, do you have the PDS for this oil?


The only one I have seen is from this Czech translation (see page 2 for the #s):

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=...9%26prmd%3Divns

The google translation I see gives something called "dynamic viscosity" as 5100. I am assuming that this corresponds to "our" cold cranking viscosity.

 

[Falcon_LS]

Yes, noticed that. But considering ACEA C3 calls for a TBN of >6, and with low SAPS oil being rather limited in their abilities to meet higher TBNs, I was wondering how it would fulfill that particular requirement.

Granted, it meets all the other requirements of the specification, and with Euro IV and newer gasoline standards in Europe, you probably won't need such a high TBN anymore anyway, unless you're going after super long service intervals.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: Falcon_LS
Yes, noticed that. But considering ACEA C3 calls for a TBN of >6, and with low SAPS oil being rather limited in their abilities to meet higher TBNs, I was wondering how it would fulfill that particular requirement.

I can't recall specific ones now, but I'm pretty sure I've seen quite a few low SAPS oils with TBN around 7 or so.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Wow, sounds expensive. How much was it?


Actually it was not ($56.50 for the 6 L shown...including taxes) but I believe this more than fair price was 'compensation' due to the inordinate amount of time it took for delivery.

 

[dparm]

XTL is a high-end oil, I think that price is fair if includes shipping and taxes.

 

[A_Harman]

Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Wow, sounds expensive. How much was it?


Actually it was not ($56.50 for the 6 L shown...including taxes) but I believe this more than fair price was 'compensation' due to the inordinate amount of time it took for delivery.



That works out to ~$9/qt, so it's not too bad.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: A_Harman

That works out to ~$9/qt, so it's not too bad.


Actually that is an outstanding price for a FUCHS oil.

(Toyota62 who has used FUCHS 0W20 (non XTL) pays $80 for a 4 L jug

)

 

[CATERHAM]

But that $80/ 4L jug is just an average price for a premium synthetic in OZ and Europe.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
But that $80/ 4L jug is just an average price for a premium synthetic in OZ and Europe.


Yes I do realize that oil prices in Europe are crazy high (as compared to NA). So my paying about $9.50 per litre for this FUCHS XTL is such a bonus.