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[blueglide88]

The money being dumped there are in the forms of military equipment. You seen any M1 abrams for sale on ebay lately ?
We have international orders for our hardware scheduled out for decades and we are building factories like crazy.
Where is our money going? In our manufacturing sector since most of us dont have bodies for onlyfans this is good news.

No doubt the money is partly going into the Military Industrial Complex.
But building factories like crazy? Where? List 6 new factories just built if you can. If these crazy amount of new factories exist at all, I will bet they are not in the US.

As for the other part of the money not going into the Military Industrial Complex, I'll bet it's making it's way into both Ukranian and US politicians pockets.

 

[KrisZ]

Has the OP found a luxury, frontline vehicle yet, or is thread about about the on going money drain in the new Western Russia?

It’s amazing he’s got time to chat on bitog, browse the used car websites and battle the Russians at the same time. I wonder on how many other forums he’s asking the same questions

 

[The Artillerist]

It’s amazing he’s got time to chat on bitog, browse the used car websites and battle the Russians at the same time. I wonder on how many other forums he’s asking the same questions

If Elon Musk can run a car company, a space company and probably a few other companies at the same time, partaking in a political complain and still post on X, why can’t some nameless officer who commands a handful of 155 mm canons be able to post on a bobistheoilguy forum?

Ever heard an expression of being able to walk and chew gum at the same time? I can do that and a few additional things concurrently

It’s amazing

Please, it’s peanuts. Change the crowd you hang out with from “low energy” to “high energy” types.

 

[Ranger83]

Would would be nice to have TOWs for live fire training instead of only allowing 3 TOWs per regiment per year for training instead of sending them to a non-ally.

Would be nice to have Javelins for live fire training instead of allowing one or zero Javs per regiment per year instead of sending them to a non-ally.

Would be nice to see the affect of my TOW shot against an armored target, instead of shooting a TP round at a wall.

Would be nice to have new or extra motor (sic) tubes to train with instead of sending them over to a non-ally while the company has less than half of their operational tubes.

This sounds like a National Guard unit? Not sure how Ukraine is getting singled out given the amount of military aid we pass out to other countries. Not to mention the OP is just a man defending his country: he’s has no say in policy.

In my three years in 3-7 Cav, 3rd ID, deployed on the East West German border at the height of the Cold War, we live fired exactly zero TOW’s. Even when the Gen 1’s were being replaced by TOW II. We did, however, use the TOW sights (and the M901’s) regularly at night as they had excellent thermal sights.

We fired one M47 Dragon, even though they were being replaced.

The TOW system is already scheduled to be replaced in frontline use by 2028. Raytheon had a contract to upgrade the propulsion systems of existing stocks five years ago so most of the inventory is already considered obsolete.

Are you going to complain about M113’s and HMMWV’s next? The ones that will never be used by the U.S. military again, we were paying to store? HMMWV’s are being sold at auction for three or four cents on the dollar. We are literally dumping M60’s into the ocean as artificial reefs.

 

[Ranger83]

dupe

 

[KrisZ]

If Elon Musk can run a car company, a space company and probably a few other companies at the same time, partaking in a political complain and still post on X, why can’t some nameless officer who commands a handful of 155 mm canons be able to post on a bobistheoilguy forum?

Ever heard an expression of being able to walk and chew gum at the same time? I can do that and a few additional things concurrently



Please, it’s peanuts. Change the crowd you hang out with from “low energy” to “high energy” types.

Things simply do not add up for me. While you claim your country is too poor to provide transportation vehicles, you seem to have full access to the internet and funds to buy vehicles every few months. And on top of that your women party all over Europe, at least they used to a year or two ago. Maybe they realized it makes the Ukrainian man look bad and stopped.

And, US has sent record amounts of money and equipment to your country, yet it appears it all gets swallowed as if in a black hole.

So pardon me if I sound skeptical.

 

[Ranger83]

Things simply do not add up for me. While you claim your country is too poor to provide transportation vehicles, you seem to have full access to the internet and funds to buy vehicles every few months. And on top of that your women party all over Europe, at least they used to a year or two ago. Maybe they realized it makes the Ukrainian man look bad and stopped.

And, US has sent record amounts of money and equipment to your country, yet it appears it all gets swallowed as if in a black hole.

So pardon me if I sound skeptical.

Yes, you’ve made this opinion known repeatedly.

You see what you want to see. It is hard to explain to someone with no military experience how Ukraine was integrated into the NATO logistical system and the U.S. tripled the size of staff monitoring equipment deliveries. At the same time, the Pentagon just failed their sixth audit in a row. The equipment sent to Ukraine has arguably better accountability than we do here: for the simple reason their lives and the lives of their innocent families are at stake.

This man has no say in policy. I’m quite sure he did not invite the Russians over. He’s just trying to do his job. He is forbidden by operational security guidelines by defending his actions directly.

 

[Pew]

This sounds like a National Guard unit? Not sure how Ukraine is getting singled out given the amount of military aid we pass out to other countries. Not to mention the OP is just a man defending his country: he’s has no say in policy.

In my three years in 3-7 Cav, 3rd ID, deployed on the East West German border at the height of the Cold War, we live fired exactly zero TOW’s. Even when the Gen 1’s were being replaced by TOW II. We fired one M47 Dragon, even though they were being replaced.

The TOW system is already scheduled to be replaced in frontline use by 2028. Raytheon had a contract to upgrade the propulsion systems of existing stocks five years ago so most of the inventory is already considered obsolete.

Are you going to complain about M113’s and HMMWV’s next? The ones that will never be used by the U.S. military again, we were paying to store? HMMWV’s are being sold at auction for three or four cents on the dollar. We are literally dumping M60’s into the ocean as artificial reefs.

No, USMC 2/24 weapons co.

I'm not mad or angry at the OP or what he decides to do with his money. Like you said it's not his policy, it's ours with what happens to our equipment.

Yes surplus M60s and HMMWVs are being dumped and sold. But we're not giving them surplus/old M60s. We're giving them M1A2s. We're giving them functional Javelins and TOWs while each usmc regiment might be lucky and get 2 TOWs a year for live fires, if at all. Javelins aren't even allowed to be fired. From what I heard from those that went to the sandbox, you weren't even allowed to fire a Jav in combat unless division approved it. It was easier to get approval for an air strike than to use a Jav. Do you have a reason why we're sending a non-ally our military equipment when our own guys can't even get them to train with? It would be nice to use extra parts for training so we can actually see how equipment works. It would be nice to see what happens to an armored vehicle that gets hit by an AT rocket instead of shooting a rusted 1960s car frame with no doors. It would be nice to have at least one person in the company to have live-fired a missile that we have to lug around. It's like giving a rifleman a rifle with no ammo and just having them dry fire all day.

 

[Ranger83]

No, USMC 2/24 weapons co.

I'm not mad or angry at the OP or what he decides to do with his money. Like you said it's not his policy, it's ours with what happens to our equipment.

Yes surplus M60s and HMMWVs are being dumped and sold. But we're not giving them surplus/old M60s. We're giving them M1A2s. We're giving them functional Javelins and TOWs while each usmc regiment might be lucky and get 2 TOWs a year for live fires, if at all. Javelins aren't even allowed to be fired. From what I heard from those that went to the sandbox, you weren't even allowed to fire a Jav in combat unless division approved it. It was easier to get approval for an air strike than to use a Jav. Do you have a reason why we're sending a non-ally our military equipment when our own guys can't even get them to train with? It would be nice to use extra parts for training so we can actually see how equipment works. It would be nice to see what happens to an armored vehicle that gets hit by an AT rocket instead of shooting a rusted 1960s car frame with no doors. It would be nice to have at least one person in the company to have live-fired a missile that we have to lug around. It's like giving a rifleman a rifle with no ammo and just having them dry fire all day.

President Trump was the first to send UAF Javelin missiles in 2018, take it up with him.

Despite my brother having been a USMC Infantry Company Commander, I have no appropriate opinion on anything the USMC does. You yourself just stated your service did not allow Javelin use under any but extraordinary conditions as a policy long predating the 2022 invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Perhaps it is more appropriate for you to answer that question yourself.

Nor is this thread the appropriate place to discuss U.S. national policies, which in the case of Ukraine go back five presidents. Let’s help the guy get his truck and be in his way.

 

[KrisZ]

Yes, you’ve made this opinion known repeatedly.

You see what you want to see. It is hard to explain to someone with no military experience how Ukraine was integrated into the NATO logistical system and the U.S. tripled the size of staff monitoring equipment deliveries. At the same time, the Pentagon just failed their sixth audit in a row. The equipment sent to Ukraine has arguably better accountability than we do here: for the simple reason their lives and the lives of their innocent families are at stake.

This man has no say in policy. I’m quite sure he did not invite the Russians over. He’s just trying to do his job. He is forbidden by operational security guidelines by defending his actions directly.

If this conflict makes sense to you then I’m not sure how your military experience explains it.

I’m not blaming the OP for anything, but he is posting silly stuff on here. Did you ever have to join an automotive forum to get vehicle advice in your military capacity?
It makes zero sense. It also makes zero sense for the personnel to not only find their own vehicles but pay for them. The military has full authority to seize any assets it deems necessary for the defense of a nation.

 

[Ranger83]

You must be fun at parties….

 

[KrisZ]

You must be fun at parties….

It’s one big party. Just ask the Ukrainian girls all over the European night clubs.

 

[IndyIan]

No, USMC 2/24 weapons co.

I'm not mad or angry at the OP or what he decides to do with his money. Like you said it's not his policy, it's ours with what happens to our equipment.

Yes surplus M60s and HMMWVs are being dumped and sold. But we're not giving them surplus/old M60s. We're giving them M1A2s. We're giving them functional Javelins and TOWs while each usmc regiment might be lucky and get 2 TOWs a year for live fires, if at all. Javelins aren't even allowed to be fired. From what I heard from those that went to the sandbox, you weren't even allowed to fire a Jav in combat unless division approved it. It was easier to get approval for an air strike than to use a Jav. Do you have a reason why we're sending a non-ally our military equipment when our own guys can't even get them to train with? It would be nice to use extra parts for training so we can actually see how equipment works. It would be nice to see what happens to an armored vehicle that gets hit by an AT rocket instead of shooting a rusted 1960s car frame with no doors. It would be nice to have at least one person in the company to have live-fired a missile that we have to lug around. It's like giving a rifleman a rifle with no ammo and just having them dry fire all day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
I don't know why the US didn't tell off Russia before 2014, with the Donbass and Crimea invasions?
Ukraine gave up all its nuclear weapons based on security assurances from Russia(which I'm sure they didn't really trust) and the US(which Ukraine probably was hopeful would do what they said they would do).
So does the word of the last super power not mean anything?
In hindsight probably the Ukraine should've made entry to NATO the requirement to get rid of the nuclear weapons. Or kept some, and taken the risk that some would get into the hands of the bad guys...
Ukraine got rid of nuclear weapons as a favor to the US and the west, as they are the likely targets, but we seem to have not held up our side of the deal, until Putin pushed too far...

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

No doubt the money is partly going into the Military Industrial Complex.
But building factories like crazy? Where? List 6 new factories just built if you can. If these crazy amount of new factories exist at all, I will bet they are not in the US.

As for the other part of the money not going into the Military Industrial Complex, I'll bet it's making it's way into both Ukranian and US politicians pockets.

Saab defense Grayling Michigan
Vertiv factory South Carolina
Ordinance plant in Mesquite Texas
Kongsberg missiles in James City Virginia
Alaska Graphite Creek
Bama Graphite
Pratt and Whitney Oklahoma

The list is MUCH longer than this.

 

[Kira]

Is it smarter to select the 'truck' for which parts are more readily available?

 

[Pew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
I don't know why the US didn't tell off Russia before 2014, with the Donbass and Crimea invasions?
Ukraine gave up all its nuclear weapons based on security assurances from Russia(which I'm sure they didn't really trust) and the US(which Ukraine probably was hopeful would do what they said they would do).
So does the word of the last super power not mean anything?
In hindsight probably the Ukraine should've made entry to NATO the requirement to get rid of the nuclear weapons. Or kept some, and taken the risk that some would get into the hands of the bad guys...
Ukraine got rid of nuclear weapons as a favor to the US and the west, as they are the likely targets, but we seem to have not held up our side of the deal, until Putin pushed too far...

In 2012-ish we did deploy troops to Ukraine as part of cross training but we were already tied up with iraq/afghanistan/syria during that time. I do remember MH17 happening with no retaliation though.

 

[DuckRyder]

I thought he did a pretty good job of explaining what was up.

 

[The Artillerist]

That 2003 Ford Euro Ranger. Somewhere near Russian border (Kursk region).

Nigh invisible from the air

 

[The Artillerist]

While you claim your country is too poor to provide transportation vehicles

I have a transportation vehicle provided by the military. What are you on about?

you seem to have full access to the internet

It’s nearly 2025 outside — middle of the 3rd decade of the 21st century. And you are perplexed by a country in Europe having access to internet? LMAO

and funds to buy vehicles every few months

I have the means. Been in private business for most of my life, including in United States

US has sent record amounts of money and equipment to your country, yet it appears it all gets swallowed as if in a black hole

Please.

The whole of Russian Federation, with an immeasurable armament and ammunition inheritance from USSR, has been relying on North Korea to sustain its operation.

So the “record amounts of money” — with which you can’t load a canon by the way, so right there you should be able to figure out that most aid doesn’t come in the form of money, but equipment — having been either swallowed by the black hole OR they have freed Russian military from its equipment and ammunition.

 

[Ranger83]

I don't know why the US didn't tell off Russia before 2014, with the Donbass and Crimea invasions?
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Because then-President Obama chose not to. In his defense he claims the Europeans were unwilling to do anything.

As mentioned previously, our indecision is five presidents old.