Pick up for a frontline use

[The Artillerist]

The Mercedes is a Nissan anyway if your looking at the 2.3 then it’s uses the Nissan engine and full running gear.

The Fiat is a Mitsubishi L200 in reality so potentially the best buy considering price/ age.

Fiat is Peugeot Landtrek. It’s not related to a Mitsubishi L200

 

[The Artillerist]

Me, tired after another round of war profiteering, with one of the newly arrived guns under my command:

— an American Paladin M109 that has been produced from the 1960s

Already pouring generously onto our adversaries inside Kursk oblast of Russian Federation

Thank You American people

 

[The Artillerist]

Mu military colleagues — oh horror— at a gas station, 20 km from an active frontline. On a Range Rover with anti drone radio jammers.

 

[Audiman]

Fiat is Peugeot Landtrek. It’s not related to a Mitsubishi L200

Ahh I didn’t even notice it wasn’t a fullback

 

[Pew]

The money being dumped there are in the forms of military equipment. You seen any M1 abrams for sale on ebay lately ?
We have international orders for our hardware scheduled out for decades and we are building factories like crazy.
Where is our money going? In our manufacturing sector since most of us dont have bodies for onlyfans this is good news.

Would would be nice to have TOWs for live fire training instead of only allowing 3 TOWs per regiment per year for training instead of sending them to a non-ally.

Would be nice to have Javelins for live fire training instead of allowing one or zero Javs per regiment per year instead of sending them to a non-ally.

Would be nice to see the affect of my TOW shot against an armored target, instead of shooting a TP round at a wall.

Would be nice to have new or extra motor tubes to train with instead of sending them over to a non-ally while the company has less than half of their operational tubes.

There's no sale order to a non allied country. Everything has been shipped out of DoD's own stocks.

Which still makes me wonder, what was so wrong with the last vehicle the OP purchased for this exact scenario, earlier this year.

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

Would would be nice to have TOWs for live fire training instead of only allowing 3 TOWs per regiment per year for training instead of sending them to a non-ally.

Would be nice to have Javelins for live fire training instead of allowing one or zero Javs per regiment per year instead of sending them to a non-ally.

Would be nice to see the affect of my TOW shot against an armored target, instead of shooting a TP round at a wall.

Would be nice to have new or extra motor tubes to train with instead of sending them over to a non-ally while the company has less than half of their operational tubes.

There's no sale order to a non allied country. Everything has been shipped out of DoD's own stocks.

Which still makes me wonder, what was so wrong with the last vehicle the OP purchased for this exact scenario, earlier this year.

90% of the time its fame and subframe mounts. That gets beaten and jostled so bad just stress fractures the whole structure at which point it just becomes a parts car. A lot of times its shrapnel and drones.
Any of these cars can do offroad but when you add speed things start to break really fast.

 

[The Artillerist]

90% of the time its fame and subframe mounts. That gets beaten and jostled so bad just stress fractures the whole structure at which point it just becomes a parts car. A lot of times its shrapnel and drones.
Any of these cars can do offroad but when you add speed things start to break really fast.

That is exactly it.

makes me wonder, what was so wrong with the last vehicle the OP purchased

Shrapnel from an incoming 152 mm.

I don’t have the photo of the aftermath for that case, but here is a — sit down for it — a Mercedes van that I snapped this past summer in Pokrovsk, with a somewhat similar fate, but that was resurrected:

 

[GON]

My own. My country is not terribly rich and it has taken a significant battering. War is bottomless. Nothing’s ever in sufficient quantities.

We, soldiers buy a lot on our own. Not ammunition or armored vehicles of course, but about 20-30% of our pay goes towards war needs. It’s a rather people’s war

There are barely any good cheap old pick ups left in Europe. We have scooped them all up.

At this point I have an AFU issued diesel 2003 Ford Ranger. I want something nicer, considering I’m walking under God daily and, the fact that live goes on just 20+ km away from the frontline. I’ll use this vehicle as personal too.

When at zero point it’s MRAPs and other APC’s that I use. But 3-6km it’s mostly drones that are of a concern and a pick up truck with radio jammers suffices.

Make sure you think it through.

If there is a true need for a late model vehicle, I would be giving it to the guys, and you should be driving in their old vehicle, that is how to lead.

Living in "luxury" while your fellow comrades, and especially your subordinates drive in beat up/ tired 2003 Fords might send a signal to them which is not helpful to the mission. The very highest and most honorable role as a military officer is leadership, and you are being watched very closely by your subordinates.

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

Make sure you think it through.

If there is a true need for a late model vehicle, I would be giving it to the guys, and you should be driving in their old vehicle, that is how to lead.

Living in "luxury" while your fellow comrades, and especially your subordinates drive in beat up/ tired 2003 Fords might send a signal to them which is not helpful to the mission. The very highest and most honorable role as a military officer is leadership, and you are being watched very closely by your subordinates.

I think you are missing the context. Usually these vehicles belong to a battery of 2-5 of these SPG's and gets passed around like a village bicycle.
It is mode definitely NOT privilege to have one of these. Anything that moves gets spotted and it either gets shelled or chased by a drone.
He isn't getting beer at a has station he is running a gauntlet, trust me when I say this that his subordinates don't want any of that "smoke".


Edit: i dont know if it is necessary to add but I will reiterate again. This isnt going to be "his" vehicle. This will be the units vehicle. There will be a driver who will come screeching into the position do a J hook and have this guy basically dive out and run for it while the vehicle drives back behind the line.
Casualty? Again this thing gets summoned, need water food? Spare parts? This thing will get beaten do death in a couple of months if artillery or drones dont nuke it first.
You are mistaking a PERSONAL vehicle with "personal" vehicle.

 

[GON]

I think you are missing the context. Usually these vehicles belong to a battery of 2-5 of these SPG's and gets passed around like a village bicycle.
It is mode definitely NOT privilege to have one of these. Anything that moves gets spotted and it either gets shelled or chased by a drone.
He isn't getting beer at a has station he is running a gauntlet, trust me when I say this that his subordinates don't want any of that "smoke".


Edit: i dont know if it is necessary to add but I will reiterate again. This isnt going to be "his" vehicle. This will be the units vehicle. There will be a driver who will come screeching into the position do a J hook and have this guy basically dive out and run for it while the vehicle drives back behind the line.
Casualty? Again this thing gets summoned, need water food? Spare parts? This thing will get beaten do death in a couple of months if artillery or drones dont nuke it first.
You are mistaking a PERSONAL vehicle with "personal" vehicle.

There is a difference between personnel and personal. The OP posted numerous times in this thread the likes of:

"I will employ it for personal use and I appreciate life."

I have yet to research the Syrian Army's collapse from the last few days. It would not be surprising if the Syrian Army's leadership were tooling around in luxury SUVs and eating the finest of meals, while the Syrian Army soldiers were not treated with dignity or respect by their leadership. Speculation on my part.

Life experience tells me that when soldiers do or do not fight- it always comes down to their leadership.

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

Yes correct. It is a language barrier issue. "Personal use" is a category of vehicles permitted to be used by the military. There are shortages of almost everything on the front line. Sometimes you have to wait for battalion level assets tried up elsewhere and when seconds count help is minutes away.
In this case personal use means his battery of guns.

 

[GON]

Yes correct. It is a language barrier issue. "Personal use" is a category of vehicles permitted to be used by the military. There are shortages of almost everything on the front line. Sometimes you have to wait for battalion level assets tried up elsewhere and when seconds count help is minutes away.
In this case personal use means his battery of guns.

You completely lost me, but that's ok. I posted what I believe might be of benefit to the OP. He can do with it what he may, but I shared something that might be worth him taking a look at.

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

Sorry I think we are talking past each other without understanding each other? Any way hows the winter treating you in New Mexico? Got your snow blower readu?

 

[GON]

Sorry I think we are talking past each other without understanding each other? Any way hows the winter treating you in New Mexico? Got your snow blower readu?

Thanks, sorry about your Bills in LAX today. Bills are a great team, even greater fans, playing the way and in a place, football should be played.

 

[The Artillerist]

Make sure you think it through.

If there is a true need for a late model vehicle, I would be giving it to the guys, and you should be driving in their old vehicle, that is how to lead.

Living in "luxury" while your fellow comrades, and especially your subordinates drive in beat up/ tired 2003 Fords might send a signal to them which is not helpful to the mission. The very highest and most honorable role as a military officer is leadership, and you are being watched very closely by your subordinates.

I’m buying a vehicle with my own funds. If the funds came from (civilian) donations, that would be different.

 

[GON]

I’m buying a vehicle with my own funds. If the funds came from (civilian) donations, that would be different.

You might want to take a second look at your decision making process. That attitude demoralizes your troops and you will never win them back, ever.

Maybe why your guys sleep on the cold ground in the winter snow, you can afford a four seasons travel trailer, and you will sleep in the heated travel trailer why your guys sleep near you on the frozen ground?

Might be a significantly better investment to invest your time in learning basic military leadership skills than researching higher end vehicles.

 

[The Artillerist]

You completely lost me, but that's ok. I posted what I believe might be of benefit to the OP. He can do with it what he may, but I shared something that might be worth him taking a look at.

Yeah, he is too far and deep into his imagined word that he now can’t distinguish between it and the actual reality.

You might want to take a second look at your decision making process. That attitude demoralizes your troops and you will never win them back, ever.

Maybe why your guys sleep on the cold ground in the winter snow, you can afford a four seasons travel trailer, and you will sleep in the heated travel trailer why your guys sleep near you on the frozen ground?

Might be a significantly better investment to invest your time in learning basic military leadership skills than researching higher end vehicles.

On the contrary, buying a vehicle with your own money and using it for military purpose is a rather a positive.

No one is sleeping on a cold ground. There is a heated and cosy blindage next to a dug in canon with a starlink internet, hot beverages and meals. Personnel is constantly rotated out for rest in the nearby towns. And so on.

Yeah, it’s not exactly south of France, but it is not — for though man — too terrible of conditions. Being an active fire target is terrible, but you get somewhat adjusted to that too.

As to your comment about “higher end vehicles”… A 5-7 year old mid size body on frame pick up truck with a 4 cyl diesel engine is higher end? LMAO

Basic military leadership consists of:

a) treating personnel, even the dumb ones, with respect
b) demonstrating genuine concern for placing them into a calculated risk and defending them from being placed into an uncalculated one
c) care for them as for your children as far as their basic needs
d) always be upbeat and see the glass as half full
e) get dirty with them
f) remind them from time to time they do not serve me, but their country

Not necessarily in the above order.

 

[burbguy82]

Has the OP found a luxury, frontline vehicle yet, or is thread about about the on going money drain in the new Western Russia?

 

[Snagglefoot]

This seems to work in Syria.

 

[The Artillerist]

This seems to work in Syria.

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A vehicle, such as pickup truck, is a transportation (taxi) for people and a load out. In civilian and a military uses.

Here is, for the 2nd time, an EW-equipped Range Rover. See those domes on its roof?

Guess what it does?

— that’s right, it transports people and gear. Since above 4 km is out of reach for the frontline anti armor guns and machine guns, it totally suffices as people and cargo carrier.

Makes sense, or I can attempt to reiterate the point better?