Is Pentosin HP on par with Castrol 0w-40 and other LL-01/ Mercedes 229 long drain oils? Thanks.
Pentosin 5w-30 High Performance
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Looking through the Castrol Edge uoa's,I honestly don't think you'll find a better oil.
As good? Probably not.
But if it carries LL01, A40, 502, M229.5, etc... We're splitting hairs.
Use it if you get a good deal, I would, but don't go out of your way to find it.
But if it carries LL01, A40, 502, M229.5, etc... We're splitting hairs.
Use it if you get a good deal, I would, but don't go out of your way to find it.
Wow, really? So no good for long drains at all? Only reason I even noticed it is I can get it for half the price of Castrol 0w-40 even at Walmart. Wouldn't be going in anything requiring Euro specs, but thought it might be good as it's a3/b3, LL-01, Mercedes 229.x, SL, made in Germany, etc. Can get the 5w-40 and 5w30 III Pentosins for the same price, but they're lower saps rated.
It's easy to stamp, "Recommended for X", on the cans. A full OEM approval from Ferrari or BMW is a different matter.
Pentosin has started only making recommended lubes, now, and know nothing about the approved lubricant business?
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
It's easy to stamp, "Recommended for X", on the cans. A full OEM approval from Ferrari or BMW is a different matter.
Pentosin 5w30 HP is an APPROVED oil, you nitwit.
It carries the following APPROVALS: API SL/CF, A3/B3, A3/B4, 502, 505, LL01, M229.5, GM-LL-B-025
It's easy to stamp, "Recommended for X", on the cans. A full OEM approval from Ferrari or BMW is a different matter.
Pentosin 5w30 HP is an APPROVED oil, you nitwit.
It carries the following APPROVALS: API SL/CF, A3/B3, A3/B4, 502, 505, LL01, M229.5, GM-LL-B-025
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
It's easy to stamp, "Recommended for X", on the cans. A full OEM approval from Ferrari or BMW is a different matter.
What's the Ferrari approval designation?
It's easy to stamp, "Recommended for X", on the cans. A full OEM approval from Ferrari or BMW is a different matter.
What's the Ferrari approval designation?
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
It's easy to stamp, "Recommended for X", on the cans. A full OEM approval from Ferrari or BMW is a different matter.
What's the Ferrari approval designation?
"Ferrari recommends Shell"
Lol
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
It's easy to stamp, "Recommended for X", on the cans. A full OEM approval from Ferrari or BMW is a different matter.
What's the Ferrari approval designation?
"Ferrari recommends Shell"
Lol
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
It's easy to stamp, "Recommended for X", on the cans. A full OEM approval from Ferrari or BMW is a different matter.
Pentosin 5w30 HP is an APPROVED oil, you nitwit.
It carries the following APPROVALS: API SL/CF, A3/B3, A3/B4, 502, 505, LL01, M229.5, GM-LL-B-025
Anyone can stamp a list of recommended for this or that car on their cans. That is in no way illegal, apart from a very slight chance of a class action law suit in the US.
Not sure if it's a typo, but no oil can be both an A3/B3 and A3/B4, as a B4 is a better spec than B3. For the A40 spec it would have to be an Acea A3/B4 or better spec. The RN0700 spec that I like to see for my TDI is more difficult to meet than A40.
Most of the OEM specs in your list apart from the Porsche one are real easy to meet. Almost any oil of the correct viscosity range can meet the VW specs listed by the Nitwit fan, as VW are not fussy when they list oils that are not used by their dealers in Germany.
PS: Just had a look at their 5w30 on the Penta web site: www.pentosin.net and it is completly different in specs and so called approvals. It's an Acea C3 low saps which regardless of what every C3 rated oil company says is not forwards compatible to A3/B4.
The Porsche approval is only an A30, not the A40 listed by Nitwitfan.
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
It's easy to stamp, "Recommended for X", on the cans. A full OEM approval from Ferrari or BMW is a different matter.
Pentosin 5w30 HP is an APPROVED oil, you nitwit.
It carries the following APPROVALS: API SL/CF, A3/B3, A3/B4, 502, 505, LL01, M229.5, GM-LL-B-025
Anyone can stamp a list of recommended for this or that car on their cans. That is in no way illegal, apart from a very slight chance of a class action law suit in the US.
Not sure if it's a typo, but no oil can be both an A3/B3 and A3/B4, as a B4 is a better spec than B3. For the A40 spec it would have to be an Acea A3/B4 or better spec. The RN0700 spec that I like to see for my TDI is more difficult to meet than A40.
Most of the OEM specs in your list apart from the Porsche one are real easy to meet. Almost any oil of the correct viscosity range can meet the VW specs listed by the Nitwit fan, as VW are not fussy when they list oils that are not used by their dealers in Germany.
PS: Just had a look at their 5w30 on the Penta web site: www.pentosin.net and it is completly different in specs and so called approvals. It's an Acea C3 low saps which regardless of what every C3 rated oil company says is not forwards compatible to A3/B4.
The Porsche approval is only an A30, not the A40 listed by Nitwitfan.
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Yep, Ultra rules OK!
PS: Penthouse 5w30 (A0/B0) is probably OK to use in a typical US car or truck, BUT I sure would not use in a turbo diesel that is subject to severe service issues, or does extended OCI's to minimise long term wear factors, like overactive detergents and the poor efficiency of standard oil filters when new.
If I was given a can of their 5w40 for Christmas, I would consider using it in my Twingo town car.
PS: Penthouse 5w30 (A0/B0) is probably OK to use in a typical US car or truck, BUT I sure would not use in a turbo diesel that is subject to severe service issues, or does extended OCI's to minimise long term wear factors, like overactive detergents and the poor efficiency of standard oil filters when new.
If I was given a can of their 5w40 for Christmas, I would consider using it in my Twingo town car.
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
Not sure if it's a typo, but no oil can be both an A3/B3 and A3/B4, as a B4 is a better spec than B3. For the A40 spec it would have to be an Acea A3/B4 or better spec.
Sure you can. A3/B3 and A3/B4 are not mutually exclusive. A3/B4 is certainly the more rigorous specification, but if an oil passes A3/B4, it already passes A3/B4. It's just like a GF-5 oil is already SN, but an SN oil doesn't have to be GF-5.
Lots of majors list A3/B3 A3/B4 on the same label. Also note that ACEA specifications aren't formal approvals; oil companies are self-certifying.
Not sure if it's a typo, but no oil can be both an A3/B3 and A3/B4, as a B4 is a better spec than B3. For the A40 spec it would have to be an Acea A3/B4 or better spec.
Sure you can. A3/B3 and A3/B4 are not mutually exclusive. A3/B4 is certainly the more rigorous specification, but if an oil passes A3/B4, it already passes A3/B4. It's just like a GF-5 oil is already SN, but an SN oil doesn't have to be GF-5.
Lots of majors list A3/B3 A3/B4 on the same label. Also note that ACEA specifications aren't formal approvals; oil companies are self-certifying.
Interesting that this oil appears to be blended by Fuchs.
https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.5_en.html
https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.5_en.html
There are only 3 main refiners in the western EU, BP in the UK, Fuchs in Germany and some French oil dump.
Looks like Pentosin might use Fuchs refined base stock, although I would point out that all refineries produce cheap lower quality base stocks in addition to HC synthetic base stocks. The actual oil company then mixes in additives bought from a chemical company.
Looks like Pentosin might use Fuchs refined base stock, although I would point out that all refineries produce cheap lower quality base stocks in addition to HC synthetic base stocks. The actual oil company then mixes in additives bought from a chemical company.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
Not sure if it's a typo, but no oil can be both an A3/B3 and A3/B4, as a B4 is a better spec than B3. For the A40 spec it would have to be an Acea A3/B4 or better spec.
Sure you can. A3/B3 and A3/B4 are not mutually exclusive. A3/B4 is certainly the more rigorous specification, but if an oil passes A3/B4, it already passes A3/B4. It's just like a GF-5 oil is already SN, but an SN oil doesn't have to be GF-5.
Lots of majors list A3/B3 A3/B4 on the same label. Also note that ACEA specifications aren't formal approvals; oil companies are self-certifying.
I should have said there is no point listing an oil as both A3/B3 and A3/B4. You might be thinking of the year specific Acea specs, as you can list a 3 spec series with dashes to the last 2 parts of the year concerned. That's format is used by most major brand oil companies for defining Acea specs.
I sure know about how Acea approvals are obtained, as there was a law suit attempt against a small real bad oil company in the UK for printing A3/B4/C2/C3 and E4 on their cans. It failed cos it turned out the back street
mixer did in fact have all the Acea documentation required.
I was very surprised cos the ash requirements for A3/B4, C2 &3 and E4 are all different, so an oil can't be low, medium and high ash at the same time. The clowns at Acea just take the money and sent the certificates. I doubt if they have ever checked a VOA or even looked at the required SAE test reports that are supposed to be filed with the application.
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
Not sure if it's a typo, but no oil can be both an A3/B3 and A3/B4, as a B4 is a better spec than B3. For the A40 spec it would have to be an Acea A3/B4 or better spec.
Sure you can. A3/B3 and A3/B4 are not mutually exclusive. A3/B4 is certainly the more rigorous specification, but if an oil passes A3/B4, it already passes A3/B4. It's just like a GF-5 oil is already SN, but an SN oil doesn't have to be GF-5.
Lots of majors list A3/B3 A3/B4 on the same label. Also note that ACEA specifications aren't formal approvals; oil companies are self-certifying.
I should have said there is no point listing an oil as both A3/B3 and A3/B4. You might be thinking of the year specific Acea specs, as you can list a 3 spec series with dashes to the last 2 parts of the year concerned. That's format is used by most major brand oil companies for defining Acea specs.
I sure know about how Acea approvals are obtained, as there was a law suit attempt against a small real bad oil company in the UK for printing A3/B4/C2/C3 and E4 on their cans. It failed cos it turned out the back street
mixer did in fact have all the Acea documentation required.
I was very surprised cos the ash requirements for A3/B4, C2 &3 and E4 are all different, so an oil can't be low, medium and high ash at the same time. The clowns at Acea just take the money and sent the certificates. I doubt if they have ever checked a VOA or even looked at the required SAE test reports that are supposed to be filed with the application.
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Not sure what spec sheet you used, but I'm not the one with the wrong data:
Pentosin 5w30 HP spec sheet
It's also interesting that you call out BMW approval, then dismiss it as easy to meet. It's not. Further interest in you calling out a Ferrari approval, of which there is no such thing.
Pentosin 5w30 HP spec sheet
It's also interesting that you call out BMW approval, then dismiss it as easy to meet. It's not. Further interest in you calling out a Ferrari approval, of which there is no such thing.
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Not sure what spec sheet you used, but I'm not the one with the wrong data:
Pentosin 5w30 HP spec sheet
It's also interesting that you call out BMW approval, then dismiss it as easy to meet. It's not. Further interest in you calling out a Ferrari approval, of which there is no such thing.
Ahh! The oil in the link has a different Acea spec and although the OEM list is the same, it's a different oil in certification terms. Probably made in the US with lower levels of additives for the short OCI afflicted.
The approved list is not an approved list, it is a recommended for one. Using a / in the title means OR, so it has Acea approvals OR OEM specifications, NOT APPROVALS.
There is a Ferrari OEM approval for Shell Ultra. I think it might be for their 0w30 and 5w40 (A3/B4 versions only), their C3 and B4 versionswould be no good in a race car, although Diesel Ultra is almost the same as normal Ultra. Some of the cheaper versions of Ultra are sold in the US by Penn, but have a different name. I think it's PP and approved for PEE (Pure Platinum and Platinum Euro Plus).
Not sure what spec sheet you used, but I'm not the one with the wrong data:
Pentosin 5w30 HP spec sheet
It's also interesting that you call out BMW approval, then dismiss it as easy to meet. It's not. Further interest in you calling out a Ferrari approval, of which there is no such thing.
Ahh! The oil in the link has a different Acea spec and although the OEM list is the same, it's a different oil in certification terms. Probably made in the US with lower levels of additives for the short OCI afflicted.
The approved list is not an approved list, it is a recommended for one. Using a / in the title means OR, so it has Acea approvals OR OEM specifications, NOT APPROVALS.
There is a Ferrari OEM approval for Shell Ultra. I think it might be for their 0w30 and 5w40 (A3/B4 versions only), their C3 and B4 versionswould be no good in a race car, although Diesel Ultra is almost the same as normal Ultra. Some of the cheaper versions of Ultra are sold in the US by Penn, but have a different name. I think it's PP and approved for PEE (Pure Platinum and Platinum Euro Plus).
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Except that A3/B3 B4 are valid designations, what is Ferrari approval? What is max. NAOCK value of Ferrari specification? What is min. HTHS? What is oxidation limit?
Ferrari will recommend ANY oil as long as Ferrari has sponsorship deal with that manufacturer. BMW being prime example how this works.
As for Pentosin, it is great oil, and in many instances first fill. pentosin CHF11 is used probably by 99% of car manufacturers in hydro steering systems, as well as their brake fluid and other products.
By the way, all Pentosin 5W30 products are PAO based and Pentosin Super Pento III produced some of the best UOA in CR TDI engines.
Unfortunately, Fuchs bought them, so we will see what will be left out of Pentosin.
To OP< you can use that oil with no problems!
By the way ultra, ALL Pentosin products are Made in Germany. I used them here in the U.S. I know. And whatever is offered in Germany, it is offered here too.
Ferrari will recommend ANY oil as long as Ferrari has sponsorship deal with that manufacturer. BMW being prime example how this works.
As for Pentosin, it is great oil, and in many instances first fill. pentosin CHF11 is used probably by 99% of car manufacturers in hydro steering systems, as well as their brake fluid and other products.
By the way, all Pentosin 5W30 products are PAO based and Pentosin Super Pento III produced some of the best UOA in CR TDI engines.
Unfortunately, Fuchs bought them, so we will see what will be left out of Pentosin.
To OP< you can use that oil with no problems!
By the way ultra, ALL Pentosin products are Made in Germany. I used them here in the U.S. I know. And whatever is offered in Germany, it is offered here too.
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