Pennzoil rumor again.

[dparm]

Download the datasheets for Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 and Pennzoil Ultra Euro 5w40. The specs are 100% identical.

I verified this myself. Make sure you don't download the old Helix TDS -- formula was updated sometime after 2000.


KV @ 100C: 13.1
KV @ 40C: 74.4
VI: 180
Pour: -38 F
Flash: 420 F
HTHS: 3.68
TBN: ?
NOACK: 11%

 

[MetalSlug]

Did he drive a chevy ?

Reason im saying that, cause few year back, I heard a new on tv, saying that chevy owner most like not read internet new. Kinda interesting but im a chevy guy and Im on here all the time heheh.

 

[garlicbreadman]

thats proof they hire anybody at o reillys

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: KrisZ

"Well, I am willing to take this engine ruining oil off of your hands for $10 bucks a jug, you don't want good paying customers to sue you for selling a sub par engine oil now, do you?".

For an oil that can cause engine problems like Pennzoil $10 a jug is too much, I would offer him $1/jug to rid of his problem.

 

[Dually]

I'm going to get a tee shirt that states "Pennzoil Does Not Cause Engine Sludge"I'm tired of hearing the same garbage out of people who do not know what they are talking about.Thanks for listening

 

[Capa]

Oh darn...and here I thought that the rumor was that Pennzoil was discontinuing their Ultra product. Those guys at O'Reilly's or any of those other auto stores don't know much. When I was there last time they were trying to convince me that Royal Purple is the best oil period and that I should never do long OCI's---5,000 miles max.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: Capa
Oh darn...and here I thought that the rumor was that Pennzoil was discontinuing their Ultra product. Those guys at O'Reilly's or any of those other auto stores don't know much. When I was there last time they were trying to convince me that Royal Purple is the best oil period and that I should never do long OCI's---5,000 miles max.

Their interests is selling more oil+filter, if everyone is doing OCI's as recommended by the manual then their sale volume will drop like flies.

If they have better profit margin with Royal Purple, they would not recommend M1 or Pennzoil or Valvoline.

Their general interests is sell more and specially the one with higher profit margin. Your interest is your pocket and the best oil and OCI for your engines. These two interests are mutually exclusive.

 

[beast3300]

And I bet he is gonna say that you should put Bosch platinum +4s in your car.

No Pennzoil won't foam or whatever he said.

 

[yaris0128]

So many rumors about Pennzoil that need to die. Its not possible that a company could make a product that had this many problems as Pennzoil "has" and be successful. SOPUS brands are of amazing quality. People gotta stop talking to their grandpa's and clerks about Pennzoil.

 

[Eastexan]

Growing up in the 50's & 60's I heard that rumour a lot about Pennzoil & Quaker State from a lot of old timers, some of them had been mechanics years before. Although it wasn't about the oil foaming up in those oils, but rather that they were bad about forming sludge. And it was mostly about Quaker State having the problems.
From what I had understood in overhearing conversations back then was that there had been problems with those oils many years before, but the problems had been resolved and were now some of the best oils out there. But apparently the stigma lived on then, and apparently a remnant still lives on today.

Back then Daddy didn't believe the problem still existed and used QS in our '58 Chevy pickup and '61 Ford Falcon, and had no problems whatsoever. Our old pickup had 150k+ miles on it when he sold it, and he was very bad about not changing oil when he should have. The oil was always as black as Abe Lincoln's hat when he would finally get around to changing it, so that oil took a beating. I have used Pennzoil and QS off and on in my vehicles for many years since the 60's and never a problem.

So if that rumour did have some basis in fact, that was very long ago and is certainly not relevant today.

 

[Nick R]

If it makes you feel better, OP, I just put Platinum in my new Focus, and unless something goes awry, that is the ONLY oil I plan on running in it for a very long time, with 7,500 mile OCI. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Pennzoil oil, that guy is a maroon who needs his brain take away by social services.

 

[Summerwind]

I used Regular PBY in all my vehicles in the 80's, and Never had a "sludge/wax" problem, had nice smooth quiet running engines as well. Never an engine issue. My next-door neighbor would shake His head at me and state that He only used "X-brand" and that more mechanics used that than any other oil. I would just smile and tell him that I'm glad he was having good luck with it Never mind the fact that his engines on start-up were both very noisey and used oil That AZ Guy is full of Sludge !

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: Nick R
If it makes you feel better, OP, I just put Platinum in my new Focus, and unless something goes awry, that is the ONLY oil I plan on running in it for a very long time, with 7,500 mile OCI. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Pennzoil oil, that guy is a maroon who needs his brain take away by social services.
The wax!!!

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: dparm
Download the datasheets for Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 and Pennzoil Ultra Euro 5w40. The specs are 100% identical.

I verified this myself. Make sure you don't download the old Helix TDS -- formula was updated sometime after 2000.


KV @ 100C: 13.1
KV @ 40C: 74.4
VI: 180
Pour: -38 F
Flash: 420 F
HTHS: 3.68
TBN: ?
NOACK: 11%

That is on the thin side of the 40 visc.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
I would have said, well hey, SOPUS products are factory fill at Ferrari. They must like changing damaged valves a lot.

Originally Posted By: TMoto
I would say this is true, especially at the chain stores, since there is little to no product training and most of their (mis)information is anecdotal at best. Many moons ago I worked at one of those chains and remember seeing the long block cores come in. If the valvetrain was all gunked up, everybody would say the owner must have used paraffin based Pennzoil, however if it was clean they must have used Valvoline. BTW, how and where did this rumor get started?


Whenever I hear the tired old Pennzoil causes sludge comments, I just reply that Pennzoil was bought by Shell years ago and is now Shell's flagship oil line.

Not that Pennzoil wasn't great before being bought by Shell, but that statement turns a lot of Pennzoil doubters on the spot. Just something to try on these parts guys in the future, it works on my gearhead buddies.

 

[yaris0128]

Originally Posted By: Nick R
If it makes you feel better, OP, I just put Platinum in my new Focus, and unless something goes awry, that is the ONLY oil I plan on running in it for a very long time, with 7,500 mile OCI. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Pennzoil oil, that guy is a maroon who needs his brain take away by social services.


+1 Good man

 

[Audi Junkie]

That's ok, more PZ for me!

 

[Bigsyke]

Originally Posted By: MNgopher
Which O'Reilly so I know to stay far away. I have an O'Reilly near me that has earned a fair amount of my business (most of the rest goes to Napa or Rock Auto if I can wait for something...). All depends on the sales staff...


Sounds like the one in golden valley, the things ive heard come out of that guys mouth to customers in completely insane.

 

[moviedave]

Close. It is the one in Shakopee.

 

[moviedave]

And just for the record, I am absolutly going to run PP in my 02 civic. That, plus a Napa Gold should get me 10000 miles with ease. I was going to use Pennzoil conventional (or MC5000) in my wife's car, but when it looked like she might be using oil, I desided to go with maxlife (which, after mail-in rebate will have cost me only 1.70 a quart).