Ozone layer stopped shrinking !!!! We are gonna live!!!!
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Thank god we didn't listen to Sean Hannity and Rush Bimbau.
Life went on here in US, but in Southern America skin cancer rate goes up dramatically. Remember dinasour? They used to roam around the world for millions of years and lifes goes on for them until one day....
It is not the energy or radiation that kills it, it is the catalysts reaction of CFC and others that break the ozone into oxygen.
Agree to a certain extend, like the attempted ban on cell phone use in small city without prove of it causing brain cancer. But this issue is different, the scientific proof is there and nobody doubt it. R134A did came along and fixed the problem (just have to wait longer for the result to appear).
"Agree to a certain extend, like the attempted ban on cell phone use in small city without prove of it causing brain cancer. But this issue is different, the scientific proof is there and nobody doubt it.'
come again?
pick an article:
http://www.junkscience.com/
come again?
pick an article:
http://www.junkscience.com/
Panda, R134A wasn't fully proven, only in theory. So a problem was "fixed" that never really was a problem.
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ToyotaSaturn is correct; this topic is one of the largest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the non-scientific community. The scientific community will only revive it reputation when they quit acting politically correct, and clean their house of agenda-based investigators.
never mind that the "hole" was found before cfc's were invented.
Ever notice that the ozone hole and "global warming" are issues that disappear in December and reappear in June???
AND WHAT ABOUT LAST SUMMER??? Does anyone remember how cold it was??? Highs in the low 80's in mid-TN? ...upper 60's in Chicago? Couldn't even go swimming in the Chicago area without freezing those proverbial kajones off!
Yes CFC's react with things in the atmoshpere, and the atmosphere is just fine.
What about all those cow f@arts? Recent reports show that ozone and air pollution issues are related to this. Lick the tip of your finger, stick it up in the air, and you'll notice the wind is coming from the left.
I just take akeep breath of air, and blow it back where it came from.
AND WHAT ABOUT LAST SUMMER??? Does anyone remember how cold it was??? Highs in the low 80's in mid-TN? ...upper 60's in Chicago? Couldn't even go swimming in the Chicago area without freezing those proverbial kajones off!
Yes CFC's react with things in the atmoshpere, and the atmosphere is just fine.
What about all those cow f@arts? Recent reports show that ozone and air pollution issues are related to this. Lick the tip of your finger, stick it up in the air, and you'll notice the wind is coming from the left.
I just take akeep breath of air, and blow it back where it came from.
That's why it's called global warming. The average global temp is rising, that doesn't mean local temps everywhere will.
Funny, most of the oil companies are acknowledging that global warming exists, and maybe we are a factor.
PS if you always go to places like junkscience.com of course you're gonna get "data" that will confirm whatever veiwpoint such a place espouses. Just like you can get contradictory "data" from somewhere else.
Funny, most of the oil companies are acknowledging that global warming exists, and maybe we are a factor.
PS if you always go to places like junkscience.com of course you're gonna get "data" that will confirm whatever veiwpoint such a place espouses. Just like you can get contradictory "data" from somewhere else.
It's odd that the transition to R134a is mentioned as 'proof' of the scientific method and supposed damage caused by R12.
Just a little effort on goggle will blow a huge hole in that. The scientist that started the R12 panic later recanted and said it caused no damage to the ozone layer. But, hey, what's a few billion $$$ here and there.
One volcanic eruption causes atmospheric damage far exceeding that from the lifetime of human existence. Why waste time researching Global Cooling (1970's), er, Warming (1990's), er, Climate Change (2000's) when we could be researching how to predict volcanic eruptions and how to create a gradual energy release rather than a single trillion megaton explosion?
This dirt ball we live on will continue along just fine, even if Kyoto is not fully implemented (lol).
Just a little effort on goggle will blow a huge hole in that. The scientist that started the R12 panic later recanted and said it caused no damage to the ozone layer. But, hey, what's a few billion $$$ here and there.
One volcanic eruption causes atmospheric damage far exceeding that from the lifetime of human existence. Why waste time researching Global Cooling (1970's), er, Warming (1990's), er, Climate Change (2000's) when we could be researching how to predict volcanic eruptions and how to create a gradual energy release rather than a single trillion megaton explosion?
This dirt ball we live on will continue along just fine, even if Kyoto is not fully implemented (lol).
Pictures from the late 1950s show the ozone 'hole' to be larger than today.
It seems that Hydrogen emmissions from volcanos [superheated to a form H3, I believe] are the direct cause of ozone fluctuations.
No one has ever explained how the very heavy R12 molecules gets up to the upper limits of the atmosphere in the first place, in any sort of concentration to have an effect.
It seems that Hydrogen emmissions from volcanos [superheated to a form H3, I believe] are the direct cause of ozone fluctuations.
No one has ever explained how the very heavy R12 molecules gets up to the upper limits of the atmosphere in the first place, in any sort of concentration to have an effect.
Ok, you guys do make sense on what the science behind ozone layer hole and global warming.
Seriously, the causes is probably a combination of both natural and human activities, to what extend we will probably not know until our grandsons and granddaughters are writing their PhD thesis.
I hope you are correct.
Seriously, the causes is probably a combination of both natural and human activities, to what extend we will probably not know until our grandsons and granddaughters are writing their PhD thesis.
I hope you are correct.
I believe the ozone level varies with the sunspot cycle. I am an amateur radio operator, and I know that near the peak of the 9 year cycle, the ionosphere is more ionized (resulting in better long distance radio transmission) and during the bottom of the cycle, the ionosphere is less ionized.
Ozone is ionized oxygen.
We are nearing the bottom of the 9 year cycle.
It seems nobody, outside of radio discussion, ever discusses the effects of the sunspot cycle on ionization of the upper atmosphere.
Ozone is ionized oxygen.
We are nearing the bottom of the 9 year cycle.
It seems nobody, outside of radio discussion, ever discusses the effects of the sunspot cycle on ionization of the upper atmosphere.
Maybe it was removing CFCs from hair products in the 70s or catylitic converters that are helping. So what.
Your AC runs fine on 134a, right??? My car built in 84 runs just fine with 134a in the original compressor-switched it over myself. Your resistance to cleaning up our emissions would have us putting lead back in paint and gasoline just because some "lefty" suggested we clean things up.
Quote: It seems nobody, outside of radio discussion, ever discusses the effects of the sunspot cycle on ionization of the upper atmosphere. Quote
You can get the sun spot activity on any given day. The Govt. publishes the Alpha Index and is updated daily. One of the problems with sun spots is that it not only affects communications, but it also affects electromagnetic deviation. So companies that are using magnetometers doing an airborne land survey to find geological formations that exhibit the proper magnetic deviations that can indicate the possible presence of oil. Gulf Oil started doing this is 1939. The military uses magnetometers for many reasons both airborne, land and sea.
The ozone shrinks, the ozone gets larger. During it's thinnest, we all continued to live just fine! Imagine that! Life went on and continues to go on.
Think about this: without that thin layer in the sky, we'd all burn up. We can't break it, even with nuclear warfare.
I find that this "science" is exclusively political as we didn't create it, we can't kill it, we can't feel it nor can we live without it!
Time and time again, some group wants more money for some research. Ever notice how most of them wind up on the left-side of the political equation?
Think about this: without that thin layer in the sky, we'd all burn up. We can't break it, even with nuclear warfare.
I find that this "science" is exclusively political as we didn't create it, we can't kill it, we can't feel it nor can we live without it!
Time and time again, some group wants more money for some research. Ever notice how most of them wind up on the left-side of the political equation?
You need locked up for stating such logic and understanding of this subject.
This kind of thinking is not allowed in much of our society and may even be considered as lunacy.
I think that we need to take care of the planet and it is only right to do so.
I also think that we get a lot of this type of subject from those that need government funding to keep their 'studies' of the environment going.
How about a good anti-perspirant to fix this problem?
o3 = ozone odd number is unstable ,that is all I remember of chem 101.
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