Over the Top Policing

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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I was near the University of MD around St. Patrick's day, and got caught in an RBT checkpoint. Traffic was horrendous and so many cars were idling that it was spewing all sorts of pollution out. Of course extended idling is against the law too, but I guess it was OK in that situation.

If I was asked to give a test, I was going to refuse and ask them what probable cause they had. Of course I was absolutely sober and hadnt touched alcohol in weeks, so there was no basis besides the fact that it was a college town on SPD.

I don't like the "automatic guilt" that is put onto the population for certain things like asking for ID when using a credit card (against the user agreement), asking for a receipt when leaving a store (when the buzzer does not go off), and asking for breathalyzer tests from the population. There are also other things like forced vaccines and monitoring that are coming down the line that are even more scary.

The reality is that some real sense should be put into any process. It may come across as offensive to some, but will do a much better job of efficiently going after the real trouble and save the rest a lot of time.


Couldn't agree more.

I never stop for random drunk driving tests. I always do a u-turn and go another route. Nothing to do with being "caught" because I don't drink alcohol, but more to do with personal liberty being infringed and a major waste of my valuable time.

I rarely give anyone a receipt, nor do I stop when asked by an employee or when a buzzer goes off. If I haven't done anything wrong, then why should I allow myself to be detained? There isn't a law allowing this that I know of. John Stossel did a great number on 20/20 many years ago on this.
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest
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until the media outlets get ahold of it, edit it for air and only tell half of the story.

Now that I will agree with you on. This type of thing caused the L.A. riots, which I was not far from at the time.

And those riots quickly died in Korean, Jewish, etc. small business neighbourhoods when the small business owners came out with their antique rifles onto their roof-tops. Police was nowhere to be found, as is so frequently the case when you really need them.
 
Originally Posted By: bigmike
I never stop for random drunk driving tests. I always do a u-turn and go another route. Nothing to do with being "caught" because I don't drink alcohol, but more to do with personal liberty being infringed and a major waste of my valuable time.

I rarely give anyone a receipt, nor do I stop when asked by an employee or when a buzzer goes off. If I haven't done anything wrong, then why should I allow myself to be detained? There isn't a law allowing this that I know of. John Stossel did a great number on 20/20 many years ago on this.

I agree with bigmike and JHZR2.

The last time I made a u-turn to go another route to avoid a very long DUI check point in Miami-Dade I was pulled over by 2 cruisers very quickly..They did let me go after 60 seconds.
 
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