The only kind of checkpoints we ever have up here are they will check the expiration on your registration and inspection. But that's easy, because they are on the inside of the windshield, so you don't have to stop. And even those are very, very rare.
Over the Top Policing
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my friend "what crime have i done" police" dont worry well find something" realy happened to my friend
I've recounted this before, but my father ended up in a standoff at 10PM after a game of squash.
He was saturated with sweat,and had a towel draped over his shoulders, as is his ritual after a game,and was driving home when stopped for an RBT (when things are slow, they just pull random people over).
When the cop radioed his plates through, he got the standard "may be armed", not "is a licenced member of a gun club"...I've had cops unclip when approaching me,and I've checked with a local dispatcher, and the words used are "may be armed", whether you hold a licence,or are suspected of armed robbery.
Dad's wallet (and therefore licence and ID) were in his squash bag in the boot (trunk), and the cop wanted
a) to see his ID
b) for him to keep his hands exposed
c) for him not to approach the trunk
d) not to turn his back
e) produce his.......ID
While Dad was trying to explain that the only way to produce ID was to reach into his bag and get his ID...or the cop could get it,it's in his wallet in the end pocket.
Which wasn't satisfactory to the cop either.
Took 15-20 mins to resolve the standoff
He was saturated with sweat,and had a towel draped over his shoulders, as is his ritual after a game,and was driving home when stopped for an RBT (when things are slow, they just pull random people over).
When the cop radioed his plates through, he got the standard "may be armed", not "is a licenced member of a gun club"...I've had cops unclip when approaching me,and I've checked with a local dispatcher, and the words used are "may be armed", whether you hold a licence,or are suspected of armed robbery.
Dad's wallet (and therefore licence and ID) were in his squash bag in the boot (trunk), and the cop wanted
a) to see his ID
b) for him to keep his hands exposed
c) for him not to approach the trunk
d) not to turn his back
e) produce his.......ID
While Dad was trying to explain that the only way to produce ID was to reach into his bag and get his ID...or the cop could get it,it's in his wallet in the end pocket.
Which wasn't satisfactory to the cop either.
Took 15-20 mins to resolve the standoff
I hate cops with a deep seated and abiding hatred.
I understand that some people don't feel that way, and that's OK with me.
I understand that some people don't feel that way, and that's OK with me.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
If it was a manhunt, then why did they stop overnight last night ?
Union rules. They can only do illegal search and seizures for 10 hours, then they have to stop for 8 hours.
If it was a manhunt, then why did they stop overnight last night ?
Union rules. They can only do illegal search and seizures for 10 hours, then they have to stop for 8 hours.
Loobed, you are correct. Greenaccord, it's OK we hate you to.
You want excessive policing? Watch this execution of a suspect and the attempted cover up.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/07/florida.shooting.witness/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/07/florida.shooting.witness/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
You want excessive policing? Watch this execution of a suspect and the attempted cover up.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/07/florida.shooting.witness/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Many states have a law that makes it illegal to film (actually make an audio recording) others, even on a public street, without their consent. The Police in these states take FULL advantage of these laws as they can arrest anyone filming their less than lawful activities.
I'm not sure if Florida has such a law or not.
You want excessive policing? Watch this execution of a suspect and the attempted cover up.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/07/florida.shooting.witness/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Many states have a law that makes it illegal to film (actually make an audio recording) others, even on a public street, without their consent. The Police in these states take FULL advantage of these laws as they can arrest anyone filming their less than lawful activities.
I'm not sure if Florida has such a law or not.
The Brits have mobile metal detectors they can use any place they like:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...nife-crime.html
And simply carrying a knife could get you up to 4 years in prison.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...nife-crime.html
And simply carrying a knife could get you up to 4 years in prison.
Originally Posted By: Tempest
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
You want excessive policing? Watch this execution of a suspect and the attempted cover up.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/07/florida.shooting.witness/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Many states have a law that makes it illegal to film (actually make an audio recording) others, even on a public street, without their consent. The Police in these states take FULL advantage of these laws as they can arrest anyone filming their less than lawful activities.
I'm not sure if Florida has such a law or not.
In Illinois it's a felony.
So one must wonder what these cops are doing that they need to hide. If you are a professional law enforcement officer, nothing can be caught on tape that is going to show anything but your professionalism.
Cops are people just like us. Some are complete dirtbags. Some are good people. IMO, laws like that protect the dirtbags.
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
You want excessive policing? Watch this execution of a suspect and the attempted cover up.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/07/florida.shooting.witness/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Many states have a law that makes it illegal to film (actually make an audio recording) others, even on a public street, without their consent. The Police in these states take FULL advantage of these laws as they can arrest anyone filming their less than lawful activities.
I'm not sure if Florida has such a law or not.
In Illinois it's a felony.
So one must wonder what these cops are doing that they need to hide. If you are a professional law enforcement officer, nothing can be caught on tape that is going to show anything but your professionalism.
Cops are people just like us. Some are complete dirtbags. Some are good people. IMO, laws like that protect the dirtbags.
I have no problem with the Police having the power to do their job effectively. But there is a fine line that can be crossed when their power is directed at general population without due cause or need.
Hard to define where that line is in any given situation.
Just like the post a while back on Police entering a home without a warrant, There are time when it is justified, and times when it is not. No 'Hard and fast' rule or Law can serve all situations, But I feel our police MUST be accountable.
(and not just to other police)
Hard to define where that line is in any given situation.
Just like the post a while back on Police entering a home without a warrant, There are time when it is justified, and times when it is not. No 'Hard and fast' rule or Law can serve all situations, But I feel our police MUST be accountable.
(and not just to other police)
You can add the US Department of Education to members of the Over the Top policing club:
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/a...given_police_po
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/a...given_police_po
Originally Posted By: Y_K
Very interesting. So, what would happen if you answer: 'I am going on my private business and do not want to discuss my destination'? Presumption of guilt is creeping in, and we are to blame ourselves.
oops, thequestion was meant for the distinguished gentleman from California
I'm sure they'd have no problem with that. In my case I answered "Home", one word, which only happened to not be a lie. I don't think they're looking for any particular answer anyway -- just for suspicious behavior.
Originally Posted By: 65cuda
I've been through some of these checkpoints and to be honest have never had a problem. They just checked for DL, registration and insurance that we are suppose to have in the car anyway. They did flash the flashlight real quick in the back, but were nice and polite and let me go on my way.
The issue is not whether they give you a problem or not, IMO. In my case the officer was very polite. I resent the random flashlight check and questioning though, no matter how polite.
Very interesting. So, what would happen if you answer: 'I am going on my private business and do not want to discuss my destination'? Presumption of guilt is creeping in, and we are to blame ourselves.
oops, thequestion was meant for the distinguished gentleman from California
I'm sure they'd have no problem with that. In my case I answered "Home", one word, which only happened to not be a lie. I don't think they're looking for any particular answer anyway -- just for suspicious behavior.
Originally Posted By: 65cuda
I've been through some of these checkpoints and to be honest have never had a problem. They just checked for DL, registration and insurance that we are suppose to have in the car anyway. They did flash the flashlight real quick in the back, but were nice and polite and let me go on my way.
The issue is not whether they give you a problem or not, IMO. In my case the officer was very polite. I resent the random flashlight check and questioning though, no matter how polite.
Originally Posted By: expat
Policing in the U.K. got well out of hand during the 70's and 80's
(Google SPG and Blare Peach) I think the populous called for the 'Orwellian Dogs' to be 'reigned in' a little though, about the time of the Pole Tax riots.
What about Gatso?
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Gatso
Policing in the U.K. got well out of hand during the 70's and 80's
(Google SPG and Blare Peach) I think the populous called for the 'Orwellian Dogs' to be 'reigned in' a little though, about the time of the Pole Tax riots.
What about Gatso?
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Gatso
to:expat when can i move to Canada?
But I feel our police MUST be accountable.
(and not just to other police) [/quote]
Expat you are correct Police should be accountable to the public they serve, however as in Civicfan's example, an uneducated knee jerk reaction prompted by the sensationalist media has no place in placing accountability. The actor in the Florida shooting, was stopped by police, took off, hit an officer with his car, and was dealt with as he should have been. A gun was recovered from his vehicle and the officers followed the proper use of force continuum. As for the officer that took and then smashed the cell phone, that was improper and should be dealt with accordingly, however the video should have been seized and logged as evidence properly. I am a HUGE fan of our in car video systems and will not drive a patrol car that does not have one. alot of what we do is not pretty on video, but it is what it is, until the media outlets get ahold of it, edit it for air and only tell half of the story.
(and not just to other police) [/quote]
Expat you are correct Police should be accountable to the public they serve, however as in Civicfan's example, an uneducated knee jerk reaction prompted by the sensationalist media has no place in placing accountability. The actor in the Florida shooting, was stopped by police, took off, hit an officer with his car, and was dealt with as he should have been. A gun was recovered from his vehicle and the officers followed the proper use of force continuum. As for the officer that took and then smashed the cell phone, that was improper and should be dealt with accordingly, however the video should have been seized and logged as evidence properly. I am a HUGE fan of our in car video systems and will not drive a patrol car that does not have one. alot of what we do is not pretty on video, but it is what it is, until the media outlets get ahold of it, edit it for air and only tell half of the story.
Originally Posted By: morris
to:expat when can i move to Canada?
Why? The RCMP have (Justly) taken a lot of heat in the last few years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski_Taser_incident
I would not rank them any better than any Brit,U.S., French or Italian cop I have encountered.
Seems the days of Sam Steele are long gone.
to:expat when can i move to Canada?
Why? The RCMP have (Justly) taken a lot of heat in the last few years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski_Taser_incident
I would not rank them any better than any Brit,U.S., French or Italian cop I have encountered.
Seems the days of Sam Steele are long gone.
I believe that that kind of attitude from public servants constitutes TYRANNY.
2nd Amendment ?
2nd Amendment ?
I think Tyranny is a little strong, the RESULT may be tyranny, but the cause is when you get a bunch of guys, in uniform, that get a 'them and us' attitude. They (I believe) see themselves as the Good guys taking out the Bad guys. But every so often a regular Joe public gets to be in the wrong place under the wrong circumstances. Every so often, once in a while, there happens to be someone there [also] with a camera.
It's wrong, I personally have,in the past, been on the receiving end of such oppressive behavior, and it should be dealt with severely. But, I believe, the root cause lies deep in the forces organisation.
It's wrong, I personally have,in the past, been on the receiving end of such oppressive behavior, and it should be dealt with severely. But, I believe, the root cause lies deep in the forces organisation.
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until the media outlets get ahold of it, edit it for air and only tell half of the story.
Now that I will agree with you on. This type of thing caused the L.A. riots, which I was not far from at the time.
until the media outlets get ahold of it, edit it for air and only tell half of the story.
Now that I will agree with you on. This type of thing caused the L.A. riots, which I was not far from at the time.
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