Our judges are going to jail!

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Just some local drama that is interesting. been a big story here, needless to say. I have no connection to these judges, ftr.


WILKES-BARRE, Pa. - For years, the juvenile court system in Wilkes-Barre operated like a conveyor belt: Youngsters were brought before judges without a lawyer, given hearings that lasted only a minute or two, and then sent off to juvenile prison for months for minor offenses.

The explanation, prosecutors say, was corruption on the bench.

In one of the most shocking cases of courtroom graft on record, two Pennsylvania judges have been charged with taking millions of dollars in kickbacks to send teenagers to two privately run youth detention centers.

Prosecutors say Luzerne County Judges Mark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan took $2.6 million in payoffs to put juvenile offenders in lockups run by PA Child Care LLC and a sister company, Western PA Child Care LLC. The judges were charged on Jan. 26 and removed from the bench by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court shortly afterward.

No company officials have been charged, but the investigation is still going on.

The high court, meanwhile, is looking into whether hundreds or even thousands of sentences should be overturned and the juveniles’ records expunged.

Among the offenders were teenagers who were locked up for months for stealing loose change from cars, writing a prank note and possessing drug paraphernalia. Many had never been in trouble before. Some were imprisoned even after probation officers recommended against it.

Many appeared without lawyers, despite the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark 1967 ruling that children have a constitutional right to counsel.

'I have disgraced my judgeship'
The judges are scheduled to plead guilty to fraud Thursday in federal court. Their plea agreements call for sentences of more than seven years behind bars.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29142654/?GT1=43001
 
Excellent!

Glad they caught up with them and hopefully they spend every SINGLE minute in jail... NO EARLY OUTS
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Sad that they have screwed with the system and now we will be paying for their actions.

Expect that you'll see not so nice people let out to be with us due to this...

Love this quote;
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Among the offenders were teenagers who were locked up for months for stealing loose change from cars, writing a prank note and possessing drug paraphernalia. Many had never been in trouble before. Some were imprisoned even after probation officers recommended against it.
Should read "Many had never been CAUGHT in trouble before".
 
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Good that the people who didn't do anything truly terrible will get a new chance at life. I fervently hope after experiencing a real jail they will walk the straight and narrow...

Unfortunately some real pieces of work will get this too.

And even worse that they wasted our tax money for personal enrichment...
 
Sweet vindication.........It would be a good Twilight Zone episode. I am so sick of people getting a holier than thou attitude getting away with way too much. Corruption being part of that.

Yes I am sure that some bad boys will get let out.
 
People here are obviously outraged, but as-usual I take the counter-point. In this case, I said what some of the other posters are saying, that these kids were very likely doing the bad thing they were accused of. The cops then brought them up and they took a hit...so-be-it. In some way, justice was done. otoh, there is an understandable degree of sympathy for "the poor kids", which is a re-occuring theme in ~modern~ Amerika.

A tough call, but w/o doubt is the funds coming out of this scam were enormous and the judges were VERY dirty and violated the public trust in a twisted and tortureous way.
 
you guys suck.. honestly and with all my heart.. I lost all respect for you. Why? because you condemn before proven.. those kids were guilty yada yada... just never got caught before yada yada..

You make me puke with your own mockery of american justice.. guilty until proven innocent???

Go read your constitution.. better yet.. let see YOU get hauled before court and spend thousands of dollars.. loss of your freedom etc.. You're guilty right?

remember what you do when you ASSume
 
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Originally Posted By: peterdaniel
you guys suck.. honestly and with all my heart.. I lost all respect for you. Why? because you condemn before proven.. those kids were guilty yada yada... just never got caught before yada yada..

You make me puke with your own mockery of american justice.. guilty until proven innocent???

Go read your constitution.. better yet.. let see YOU get hauled before court and spend thousands of dollars.. loss of your freedom etc.. You're guilty right?

remember what you do when you ASSume


Hence why I said "some bad boys will get out"

The judges were the ones I was condemning with a broad brush. It sounds like a slam dunk against the judges........

I have been in the position of being charged with felony 1st degree rape of a child and 1st degree child molestation of my Daughter. I was absolved of this and raised my Daughter up. This was fabricated against me as payback.

I am sure some of the kids are guilty, if you think otherwise you are dreaming....the problem would be finding the kids that are innocent and the ones who are guilty. Might be better to let them all go.
 
Originally Posted By: peterdaniel
you guys suck.. honestly and with all my heart.. I lost all respect for you. Why? because you condemn before proven.. those kids were guilty yada yada... just never got caught before yada yada..

You make me puke with your own mockery of american justice.. guilty until proven innocent???

Go read your constitution.. better yet.. let see YOU get hauled before court and spend thousands of dollars.. loss of your freedom etc.. You're guilty right?

remember what you do when you ASSume


Who are you speaking to? You may consider looking in the mirror.
 
I truly believe that justice always gets served in the circle of life. I was screwed by a dishonest cop and was fortunate enough to be able to battle it and win. There's a lot of dishonesty in the American legal system.

In the end, all things come full circle and the innocent are expunged while the dishonest pay with their souls.
 
FowVay said:
There's a lot of dishonesty in the American legal system.

So why do we keep electing LAWYERS to represent us. Couldn't a plumber or nurse or truck driver do just as good a job.
 
My thoughts are with the sentenced kids, and their future lives.
At the very best, a bad taste and resentment for the system will remain. For many, their life's direction will have been unalterably changed. Many will learn 'proper' crime in the institution.
It is therefore incalculable to determine the extent of the evil judges crimes. Take all their money and property to disburse to the kids, as a start.
Also, handcuff their wrists to their knees for their duration in prison.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
It must be fun, fun, fun to be a former judge in prison.
Yeah, hopefully it won't be one these country club prisons. Only fitting if these two become bubba's new girlfriends.

Denied counsel? Who was in charge of supervising these two?

Proof that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely!
 
So if prisons require paying judges to put dirtbags like those kids in jail, so be it.

If the local kids hadn't caught on yet, they should catch the hint and straighten themselves out.


Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1
I favor a public hanging for the judges, but first strip them of all their assets and denying them lawyers.....


I can pretty much guarantee you that they don't need legal counsel.
 
Prank notes get someone locked up in a jail? That's extreme. Also a criminal record afterward will really ruin your whole life for something like that. It is not just a few months away in a jail that affects you. Most high paying jobs require a clean record and small offenses like that could make you unqualified no matter how hard you try later in life.

For those several bad kids that may get out, if they remain bad they will get locked up again sooner or later, no worry.
 
You've got to ask, where are the parents? Surely at some point a parent might think, jeez, my kid's getting railroaded, maybe I should run this by an attorney...
 
Originally Posted By: FowVay
I truly believe that justice always gets served in the circle of life. I was screwed by a dishonest cop and was fortunate enough to be able to battle it and win. There's a lot of dishonesty in the American legal system.

In the end, all things come full circle and the innocent are expunged while the dishonest pay with their souls.


Even if true, that doesn't make things balanced.
Tell someone wrongly convicted that things will eventually even out, and see how they feel about it.

http://uspolitics.tribe.net/thread/d1425b36-fe70-47a4-9fc7-e0b1839dd22a
 
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