If they can find a gas station and operate the pump, they can find a charging station and operate that. It’s no harder than saving a text document as a PDF… though that’s something a lot of “older people” seem to also struggle with.
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19 hours and one fuel stop?! In what???
Eh, somewhat. Electrify America can be a real pain sometimes. You're right though it's not a steep learning curve.
You don’t have to find a gas station, they are all over and you don’t have to wait on line to refuel. Nor do you have to sit around like a duck waiting for a car to charge in all kinds of conditions.
It’s laughable to present charging an EV as convenient as refueling a gas tank.
Maybe “older people” whom you seem to have a prejudice against can afford the convenience of the gas powered ICE.
Maybe if you’re lucky one day you will get old too!
and like “older people” like to own a nice big gas guzzling easy to refuel SUV
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I don’t have a thing against “older people”, I have a thing against older people who act helpless with technology and refuse to learn it.You don’t have to find a gas station, they are all over and you don’t have to wait on line to refuel. Nor do you have to sit around like a duck waiting for a car to charge in all kinds of conditions.
It’s laughable to present charging an EV as convenient as refueling a gas tank.
Maybe “older people” whom you seem to have a prejudice against can afford the convenience of the gas powered ICE.
Maybe if you’re lucky one day you will get old too!
Already got the gas guzzler though and I’m not even 30 yet, and there’s a Wagoneer L/Suburban/Yukon XL in our relatively near future
Getting gas is an annoyance though, I wish I could come home from work and just plug it in.
I don’t have anything against anybody as long as they don’t hurt other people. I can tell you one thing as a security technician for a short decade when I moved down south, the amount of technically challenged young people is staggering in your age, group, and older, when it comes to anything other than a specific app they use.I don’t have a thing against “older people”, I have a thing against older people who act helpless with technology and refuse to learn it.
Already got the gas guzzler though and I’m not even 30 yet, and there’s a Wagoneer L/Suburban/Yukon XL in our relatively near future
They have no clue how the system that runs that app works if something should go wrong.
And gosh, the troubleshooting ability of many of them are nonexistent.
But I don’t have anything against them or anyone. I REALLY enjoy helping people. Maybe if more people would help people learn things no matter the age group they would not get stigmatize buy some.
I’ve seen your post referencing older people many times.
I can’t recall ever really complaining about them, except maybe politicians?
I don’t have a thing against “older people”, I have a thing against older people who act helpless with technology and refuse to learn it.
Already got the gas guzzler though and I’m not even 30 yet, and there’s a Wagoneer L/Suburban/Yukon XL in our relatively near future
I hate stopping for gas too. It's easy plugging in the Tesla.
None can at this point. It definitely takes a bit longer but it's not entirely an apples to apples comparison.
The example earlier in the thread where someone's SIL took over a day longer to do the same trip was either due to a malfunctioning vehicle or, more likely, a lack of knowledge on how to road trip an EV.
A lot of people think in terms of "filling up" an EV but in most cases the charging curve is such that you get very high charge rates when you're at a lower level of charge...then it starts to slow down at 50% or so and once you get above 80% the final charge to 100% is very slow. What happens a lot is people don't understand their vehicles and when they road trip, they will charge to 100% at every stop. This takes an eternity - it's simply not reasonable or sustainable.
The proper way to do it is to charge up to 50% (or higher if you need it for a long run without chargers) and then move on to the next charger you can reach and do it over again. By only charging up to the point where the charge rate tapers off from the initial high level, you usually spend 15 to 20 minutes per charge instead of an hour and a half or more. Your trip is way, way faster.
This is clearly not as fast or convenient as filling an ICE vehicle with gas but it actually doesn't add a ton of time on a road trip if you do it properly. These types of issues are education issues and will be resolved over time as people get used to EVs and how to use them efficiently. If you live in a rural area and commonly drive where chargers are sparse then maybe an EV isn't for you. If you tow long distances, ditto. If you live in the Northwest Territories and Yukon, it might be a challenge.....
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Thank you. 80s kid here, all I could think was "You down with OPP? Yeah you know me!" lol
I don't have to stop an fill it because it's charging in my garage. On the road? 15-20 minutes if I have to which is rare. I stop way more often for fuel than I do charge away from home.
I start out each day with a full tank. And never go to a gas station. And I pay nothing to charge.
What ICE car can do that?
People are specialists. You go to who you need to go to to solve a problem, and if they are willing to train you in surface trouble-shooting, learn it, and move on better equipped, but always keep in mind you just know a few wrote problem solving avenues.
They were visiting Roxham Road. ( Canadian Joke)
Old folks today, grew up in a world full of technology. That's not the problem.
Something happens to cognitive functioning with the aging brain. There is a reason SOME old folks need a Jitterbug phone. They can't deal with the minor complexity of, for example, an iPhone.
In much the same way that older folks often drive quite slowly. They can't process the information quickly enough to go any faster.
My coworkers families bring their friends, family and siblings to visit them year round.
Many , Canada has lots of immigration to fill their jobs. If company sponsors you a path tot citizenship is not long . I believe at least 25 at our tech company from across planet are Canadian citizens.
Some move on to become US citizens as path is much easier Canada to US.
It was tongue and cheek.
Oh yes charger hopping - next time I go on a regional trip in my ID.4 I need to grow a pair and run down lower than I have been. Seems 20% is the magic number (along with battery temp) at least for ID.4 to get near full speed - assuming similar for other brand EV's.
The "filling up" thing is funny, we recently had the moms with us on a smallish road trip and I needed to plug in for ~6 minutes at an EA on the way home to have enough juice for an airport run the following morning. Ended up there for ~19 minutes as the moms needed to run into Target for a little bit with me trying to shuffle them along - they were floored we didn't need to fill all the way up and didn't really understand why I wasn't going all the way to 100%. I just told them its better to just get the charge you need and move along especially when you are paying the higher cost for DCFC, I was not going to try to explain the charging speed as neither of them will be in an EV anytime in the near future.
Like range anxiety the not charging to 100% is just another mental hurdle to overcome for new EV drivers as its opposite how we have all been conditioned (well most of us). I have had friends over the years that fuel their car 2-3 gallons at a time and are at a gas station pretty much every other day so EV's would be absolutely perfect for them.
