One tough landing gear (Jet Blue)

1 FMF · Sep 21, 2005

http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=3882303

just saw it on tv news.

pretty cool.

funny thing was, at the end they said jet blue is making arrangements to get those people aboard to JFK New York- plane was going from LA to NY.

Yah, like anyone's going to get on a plane to fly

Bio-T · Sep 21, 2005

I just saw the landing on TV. They will probably use that approach and landing for a Training film for all pilots. Textbook perfect. My hats off to the pilots and crew.

olddognewtrks · Sep 21, 2005

That pilot can fly me anywhere, anytime. That's probably the most velvet-smooth landing I've ever seen. Airbus makes tough landing gear pieces. I am so glad everyone got out without a scratch.

They also make planes that CAN'T DUMP FUEL WHEN THE STUFF HITS THE FAN! Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.
They have at least one of their fly-by-wire planes programmed to NOT allow bank angles past 60 degrees, no matter what, because "that's aerobatics". So what? What happens when a truly gifted pilot,(as most of them are) needs to do something radical to save the plane? There have been more than a few times when aerobatic maneuvers with airliners(!) have saved everyone's life.

Again, I am glad it came out well. Personally, I think Airbus needs to make a couple of design changes.

Hirev · Sep 21, 2005

quote:

Originally posted by olddognewtrks:

They also make planes that CAN'T DUMP FUEL WHEN THE STUFF HITS THE FAN! Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.
Personally, I think Airbus needs to make a couple of design changes.

"Can't dump fuel in an emergency" I could not believe that one either. They had an interview with a local pilot on the local news that flys an A320 he also stated they cannot dump fuel on the A319 also. He also knew of another A320 that also had to do the same thing because of the front landing gear being "locked into bypass" do to an electronic failure. Sounds like they need a back up system if this is the case.

Schmoe · Sep 21, 2005

Maybe they need to get a Boeing.

XS650 · Sep 21, 2005

quote:

Originally posted by Schmoe:
Maybe they need to get a Boeing.

One of the renta-experts on the new last night said most new civilian aircraft can't dump fuel anymore.

Terry..other commercial pilots... is that true?

I also heard this wasn't the first time that has happened on an Airbus.

Bio-T · Sep 22, 2005

Jet Blue is having their problems. One of their aircraft just landed at Kennedy airport in NY with the flaps locked in position. Another uneventful landing, from skilled pilots. Two days in a row.

Preventative Maintenance is not working for them. Skilled Flight Crews are.

obbop · Sep 22, 2005

Go Greyhound!!!!!

Bio-T · Sep 22, 2005

This was the 7'th problem with the landing gear sideways.

Landing Gear Problems

Terry · Sep 23, 2005

Hey, at least the vert stab did not fall off.

If it ain't Boeing I ain't going !

Fuel Dump. Reason for fuel dump is to get at or below max landing weight, in emergency.

Most lighter weight narrow body transport aircraft have no need or capability to dump fuel.

moribundman · Sep 23, 2005

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Fuel Dump. Reason for fuel dump is to get at or below max landing weight, in emergency.

I'm actually wondering if dry wings don't actually increase the risk of an explosion, since fuel fumes are probably a lot more volatile than liquid fuel. Of course, if a wing tank ruptures and fuel spills out it's not exactly good either...

Hirev · Sep 23, 2005

Just herd on the news last night that NTSB has launched a large scale investigation on front landing gear problems with A320. They showed a video on local news last night taken inside the famed A320 at LAX. On its harsh emergency landing showing a woman screaming on landing. It definitely not a good thing for the industry with the negative publicity. They quoted another pilot as saying "a good landing is one that does not make it to the media".

ToyotaNSaturn · Sep 23, 2005

Seems like Airbus is taking action only after the media placed this issue in the limelight. The TSB to fix this has been out for 6 years. Sad. Thank G O D no one got killed because of this.

Matt_S · Oct 6, 2005

Here's a link with some pictures of the actual landing gear from a similar incident. It's not this most recent incident, but the same thing happened previously to another Jet Blue plane. It's pretty wild. The wheel rims are half ground away.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73615743@N00/49346518/in/set-1071481/

Willy_G · Oct 6, 2005

Is that Mobil 1 grease I see in the bearing???

tom slick · Oct 6, 2005

I was on the flightline once when a loaded C-17 landed with it's nose gear sideways. it was very very loud and I was a mile away.
I used to work with a guy that worked on the C-17 flight test project. aparently they had a C-17 land with it's brakes locked up. that means 14 wheels skidding to a stop and popping along the way.

pitzel · Oct 6, 2005

quote:

Originally posted by olddognewtrks:
They have at least one of their fly-by-wire planes programmed to NOT allow bank angles past 60 degrees, no matter what, because "that's aerobatics". So what? What happens when a truly gifted pilot,(as most of them are) needs to do something radical to save the plane? There have been more than a few times when aerobatic maneuvers with airliners(!) have saved everyone's life.

The Airbus' FBW control limits can be overriden by putting the airplane in a control mode known as 'direct law'.

However, in all of the years of operation of A320/A330/A340 series aircraft, there has not been a crash caused by an improper attitude or an otherwise improper aerodynamic configuration. A couple of CFIT and a couple of hydroplaning incidents aside, there have been no losses of A320/A330/A340 series aircraft in commercial service, a record that quite frankly speaks for itself.

The limits applied by the FBW computer, however, have undoubtedely saved a number of lives by preventing pilots from entering unstable configurations. The level of automation in the cockpit afforded by FBW also reduces the overall pilot workload and stress level, allowing them to keep better abreast of higher level issues, and a multitude of features such as flex-thrust takeoffs, cost-index-based FMS flight profiling (for fuel burn optimization), ACARS (for communication of engine run-time parameters to thr ground for trending), etc. first saw common narrowbody commercial use in the A320 series of aircraft.

JohnnyO · Oct 6, 2005

I figure they can lower their ticket prices a little since they can get by with two less tires on each plane.

FowVay · Oct 6, 2005

If someone can host some pictures for me I have pictures of the wheels after they came off of the aircraft. Just send me a e-mail and I'll send them to whomever can host them.

Thermactor · Oct 7, 2005

That was one talented pilot.

One tough landing gear (Jet Blue)

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