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There are many reasons why I like the Prius Hybrid technology. One important reason is rarely discussed.

Since there is an electric motor to augment the power of the gas engine, you can put in a smaller gas engine and still get reasonable accelleration. Engines are more efficient when operating at a higher load range. Unfortunately people expect their cars to have a lot of power. When you have an oversized engine, your mpg suffers. Some big V8's deactivate some cylinders while cruising in order to increase mpg. Another way to put a smaller engine in a car is to put a turbocharger/supercharger on it. Thus, you get good accelleration values, but still have a small efficient engine for cruising. The hybrid system allows you to put in a smaller engine too, because during acceleration, you get power from the gas engine as well as the electric motor. So, you get the benefits of good mpg with a small engine, but decent accelleration because you have the added torque from the electric motor.

This feature of hybrid systems (small gas engine/motor combo) along with the regenerative braking system is on of the core reasons the system superior to any other technology. IMHO.

There will be another leap in mpg once the lithium Ion batteries are figured out. The current NiMH batteries are only about 60% efficient at storing and retrieving energy. The Lithium Ion batteries will be over 90% efficient.

When you look at the overall package of the Prius Hybrid system you see that it is truly an incredible leap of technology. Two electric motors, a gas engine that operates in the atkinson and Otto cycles, unique single speed transmission without the need for a clutch, coolant storage thermos, large passenger compartment, display tools to help you optimize mpg, variable speed ac motor, no starter, no alternator, bladder fuel tank to reduce VOC emmisions, wow.
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The one problem with hybrids is once you loose your charge then you have a very small motor that does not have enough power to get the car up the grades without beating the @#$% out of it.

I've been in a Prius that had a real rough time going up and down grades from SLC to ST George with 3 of us in it.
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Take a 3000 lb car with a 1.5l (or whatever size it is) 4 cyl and run it above 4000 to 6000 feet for hours on end and its not pretty. (and its MPG drops quite quickly)

In flat areas and lower elevations, I'm sure its better. But what I've seen and heard from people around here, Going up grades and cold weather they take a hit.
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I think a turbo diesel hybrid would work better in higher elevations. Just make the engine have enough power to move the car if the batteries don't have a full charge.

Take care, bill
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This is true for all cars, though. My relatively powerful 242hp engine definitely suffered a noticeable power loss at elevations of 8,000 and above. The ECM even moved the redline shift point down almost 600 RPM.

Any engine that spends a lot of time at high altitude would benefit greatly from a power adder.
 
Plug-in makes it a different game. Batteries live longer in a Prius because it's keep in its sweet spot. Once you start wacking the battery you have a different situation. I would say that a Prius is a good solution given the technology today that works in the hands of the public and not just a dream. Things could be better but the Prius is out there in production and works. I drive one and I am often confused by experts on the Prius that have never driven one and don't understand the three motor system and what's going on when you drive down the road. They are convinced that what they say is true about the Prius. These experts have even let the secret out of the bag about the gas mileage. Then I hear that the belts in the transmission are prone to failure (no belts). I've been told that the electric motor will tear up the reverse gear in the transmission (no reverse gear). Then I hear that the starter motor will wear out with all that starting and stopping (no starter). And what about all the batteries that Toyota is replacing in the Prius (wrong again). To discover if the person educating you on the Prius is an expert, ask how many different gears like low, second, high and overdrive there are including reverse in the Prius transmission. The answer to that question will settle it.
 
Lonnie:

Very well put. I love mine, and I suppose I could well be accused of having guzzled the proverbial Kool-Aid... I will readily admit that as good as the car is, it isn't perfect. Bill describes one of the car's soft spots, but it's one that really doesn't have a lot of impact unless you absolutely must climb very long grades, with a loaded car, on a very regular basis. I'm a flatlander, so I never see this. I do, however, see a closely related problem. Sitting, for example, in heavy traffic or a Burger King drive through at lunch time, the ICE will be off, and the AC will be working hard, powered by the traction battery. After between 5-10 min (depending upon SoC when you pulled in), the batt will reach ~40% and the ICE will start cycling on and off to replenish the charge. When you finally drive off, the engine will do a lot of extra "humming" while the ICE is overcompensating for the low charge, but it replenishes very quickly (maybe 1/4 mile). Mitigating this "problem" further, the 1NZ is very smooth for a small four, and the "humming" isn't unpleasant at all.
 
There is no perfect car. Every car designed involves a series of trade-offs between performance, fuel efficiency, comfort, handling, etc. While I could imagine that travelling up a long continuous grade in a loaded Prius could deplete the charge in the battery, you would just have to look at that as a trade-off in the design of the car.

If you want to talk about weaknesses of car designs, I could give you a few; obscene aerodynamic drag from nearly all SUV's, the careless waste of all that energy in conventional braking systems, the thoughtless lack of interior space in most GT car designs, the utter waste of interior passenger space in large SUV's that only carry 5 passengers... Talk about design flaws. Humph....
 
Good comments Winston. Oddly enough, as nice as my wife's Avalon is, I really don't like driving it as much as the Prius. After a year of Prius driving, I'm now disgusted with any car that fails to shut itself off while sitting at a redlight.
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With the Prius, getting stuck in really bad traffic becomes a chance to chase the mileage readout and prove what a good driver you are.
 
Even my wife like driving my Prius. Since getting the Prius she has only put 105 miles on her Honda Element. I'm a happy camper. Just filled up yesterday and averaged 54.3 mpg. I cannot complain. I'm not up on all of this technical stuff, but it works for me. Thank you ekpolk for recommending the Prius to me.
 
I'm almost afraid of what owning a Tesla would do to my perception of owning a regular IC car. The only thing the Tesla doesn't do better than my Mazda is haul stuff. It's faster, lighter, very likely more fun to drive and infinitely more efficient. If it were AWD, had a back seat and didn't require to be plugged in periodically, it would be perfect. I'd love to have one as my daily commuter, but at $100k I'm gonna have to continue spewing hydrocarbons until I pick the right lottery numbers.
 
seems like since the change to PENNZOIL Platinum in our '07 PRIUS the 1.5 ltr. has toned down on hills and highway . We test drove a '07 Corolla and the PRIUS won the ride and comfort test . Sure I'll get slammed for these statements .
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Let the sh_t fly !!! BRING IT ON !!!
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You can get a mask and sun glasses to protect your image while driving a Prius. And there is the satisfaction of clearing a section of the freeway and keeping the readout at or about 60mpg with the a/c on. It's not the checkered flag at Indy but it is satisfaction for a good job driving that won't get you thrown in jail. No that you've done it at 60mpg there is always the chance of 61mpg on the next pass. And you may have blown away that Z06 and he will never know that he's been had by a Tesla Wonder Machine.
 
My mother just took delivery of her Prius (with backup camera); that is #2 for our family as my father has one. Leather is only optional with some other ripoff package option, so the dealer is trucking them down to Richmond and having leather installed by a upholsterer.

In my 120 mile loop in my fathers, I turned in 55mpg.
 
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seems like since the change to PENNZOIL Platinum in our '07 PRIUS the 1.5 ltr. has toned down on hills and highway . ...




Which oil were you using before?


changed factory oil at about 1,600 miles to PENNZOIL 5w30 , then to the PENNZOIL Platinum around 5,200 miles . Using TOYOTA oil filters as well ($3.50 +tax each).
 
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